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I currently have a three year old bitch who's pedigree is heavy with Diamond II. She is what I would clasify as a medium to medium-slow speed with excellent line control. She is a pleasure to hunt solo, but the slow speed has been an issue with other dogs. I have the opportunity to breed her with a dog that is heavily Patch bred. He is much faster but does lack some in line control(he has a huge ball mouth and as such often over runs the track).
Does anyone have experience with DiamondII/Patch breeding? Any thoughts in general on this? My hope is to pick up a little speed but maintain the line control. Of note, I am strictly a hunter and am not into trials at this time.
im not the most qualified to answer your question. if you never try than its obvious you cant breed anything. blood or genes dont mix like mixing paint. if you breed a slow dog to a fast dog chances are you will get a wide variation in pups. . youll need to raise them all and select the ones you like. it would be better to breed two dogs the same style that your looking for. it would be better if those dogs were out of the same kind of parents and the littermates of those dogs were the same. it would be better if the dogs you were breeding were somwhat related. all these things would increase your odds of getting what your looking for. i dont even know who diamond is but id look for another dog that had some of same breeding that was faster with line control. id try to find out about as many littermates as i could. then if theyre sire is alive breed to him. if not breed to best dog in a litter that has a lot of dogs that you like . all this will just improve your odds. its no guarantee. i dont want to discourage you. you might make the cross you mentioned and get real lucky. if you dont breed them youll never know. when breeding dogs look for consistancy. steady progress should be the goal. dont expect to change a lot in one generation. try to look ahead a little. where are you going after this breeding. ? sometimes its better to work with somebody else thats into same lines you are. maybe take advantage of the work theyve already done. maybe they can steer you in right direction. i dont know anything about diamond II but this stuff will apply to any dogs. no matter how you breed dogs the results are the same. only the % is different. do everything you can to put those % in your favor before you breed. pete
How old is the Patch male, has he been bred before, what does he contribute to the pups he has sired. The same questions for your female also. With a outcross there are a lot of unknowns to be ready for. The chance of a nick giving you what you hope for is roll of the dice.
Gray's linesman crossed best on hard hitting bitches. He contributed control and check work but didn't interfere with the grit and drive of the bitches.
My opinion would be, if you like your bitches breeding, stick with it. Go an search out a male with as many common hounds in the pedigree as your bitch but that also has the needed foot and has proven to put it in his pups. This is the safest way to get what you hope for and not stir up the mix.
Best of luck...Patch
Last edited by S.R.Patch on Tue May 06, 2003 3:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.
SOUNDS LIIKE YOU GOT PLENTY OF GOOD ADVISE. DO NOT BREED AWAY FROM YOUR ABLITY TO KEEP A RABBIT MOVING SMOOTH. I SEE TO MUCH OF THE RUN OFF AND LOSE IT STYLE JUDGING LP HUNTS.
I decided to start my breeding using Diamond bred stuff. I have a grandson out of him. His sire is Hitchiker and he is a line control dog. He has the ability to run the front but seems to run with the other dogs whatever speed unless they are to fast. He is not a Me-TOO dog. He can slow down with younger dogs and like I said, he can run the front of my older dogs. He has a true mouth and is probably deer broke after the other day. I bred one litter out of him so far and crossed him with a dog that was heavy FLat Lands and B & W's. The pups were small but they got that from their dam. I kept three of the seven pups and started them at 5 months. When I sold the two males at 7 months you could have gunned over them. Them female is lacking size but is built good and can keep up with no problem. I watch her closely to make sure that she is running a rabbit and not dogs. What she lacks in size, she makes up for with heart and drive and the "want to" that makes a good hound. I am currently looking for a female that is close to him and I imagine I'll have to settle for a grandaughter. I am probably not going to breed the pup because of her size. I am going to breed him back to a linebred playboy female I have and then add my Kalagha stuff or something else with a little more foot. Just cull out what dont run like you want and keep breeding what you like.
patch i type with two fingers. like a chicken eats . peck peck peck. when i first got a computer i would break out in a sweat typing one e-mail adress. if i drink enough coffee i can type pretty fast but its still with two fingers and i have to see keyboard. very few people can read my handwriting. pete
Just a tip for writing those extra long posts you think you might time out from:
Just before hitting the submit button, take your cursor and highlight everything you just typed. Then go up and click on edit - copy. (or hold down Ctrl/Insert keys) Then should you truly have timed out, you can repost and "drop" or paste the text right back in (Shift/Insert keys) and not have to retype everything.
You can use the copy/paste method using the Edit feature at the top bar, or remember; once you've highlighted text, Ctrl/Insert = copy and Shift/Insert = paste.
If I know I'm going to be wordy, I'll open a blank document, type my response, then copy/paste it on the message board.
lol...Patch
