Rule Change
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PREACHERS KENNEL
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i think rules r rules if u dont abide by it u pay the penalty..he probably knew the dog was over 15 when he brought it.
UPTON ripped me the hardest i ever been ripped i have no respect for him!
UPTON ripped me the hardest i ever been ripped i have no respect for him!
ACTS 2:38=repent,baptised in the name of jesus christ,receive the holy ghost!
i was to a akc trial a year or two ago and watched 13 dogs measure out of the 13 in class from 13 1/4 to 14 1/4 in. 13 1/14 i let go bigger there out i run a 14 in hound been measured every weekend against 15 to 16 in do i like it i don't really care. i could try to run him and have been told to try and run him in the 13 but i just don't think it't morally right thats my choice. this is running a minnum of 3 hrs and up to 7 or more hours with 25 to sometimes 50 dogs in a class and my little dog can run with the big dogs but there is very few that are 13 to 14 in that can run with big dogs up here pack pressure eats them up.as for people not comming the next weekend everyone was there with the same dogs measuring them. i still think lp has worse problems then one dog measuring out but thats just my opinion thanks bullboy
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BJK
I want to say I'm surprised and apalled at most of the remarks condoning oversized dogs. I wonder how many of you are licensed judges, bench judges, breed inspectors and hold the title of Master of Houndsman? Not many I hope. If you are, and see no problem with oversized dogs then you should turn in your judges licenses. You judges that agree are pathetic. Why have rules if you feel that you shouldn't follow them because of your personal feelings. The rules are put in place for a reason.
I see no problem with Tony or anyone else asking for a measurement on any dog that they think is oversized. As a handler those are his rights.
In my book there are two kind of trialers; Those that come to WIN and those that come to socialize. If you come to win then your attitude will be that of a winner. You want to win at all cost. You don't come with the attitude of "I hope" you bring your best knowing if the judge is honest and rabbits run your dog will win. So if your dog is in heat or oversized leave it at home because sooner or later you will run into a Serious Trialer.
Now that I have your attention, what's up with the unspoken and unwritten rules at the World Hunt
a) This is the trial to bring oversized dogs. Is it because no one will say anything?
b) If you ask for a measurment you will not win the cast. Is it because you made the judge angry?
c) You have to be a well known trialer to win the World Hunt. Is this due to politics and or favoritism?
More people need to step to the plate and ask for measurements. This is nothing but another form of buddy judging.
In my opinion there is more cheating and buddy judging going on at the LP World Hunt than at any other sanctioned hunt held.
These are my opinions.
Nate Johnson, Big Johnson's Kennel
I see no problem with Tony or anyone else asking for a measurement on any dog that they think is oversized. As a handler those are his rights.
In my book there are two kind of trialers; Those that come to WIN and those that come to socialize. If you come to win then your attitude will be that of a winner. You want to win at all cost. You don't come with the attitude of "I hope" you bring your best knowing if the judge is honest and rabbits run your dog will win. So if your dog is in heat or oversized leave it at home because sooner or later you will run into a Serious Trialer.
Now that I have your attention, what's up with the unspoken and unwritten rules at the World Hunt
a) This is the trial to bring oversized dogs. Is it because no one will say anything?
b) If you ask for a measurment you will not win the cast. Is it because you made the judge angry?
c) You have to be a well known trialer to win the World Hunt. Is this due to politics and or favoritism?
More people need to step to the plate and ask for measurements. This is nothing but another form of buddy judging.
In my opinion there is more cheating and buddy judging going on at the LP World Hunt than at any other sanctioned hunt held.
These are my opinions.
Nate Johnson, Big Johnson's Kennel
Last edited by BJK on Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:46 pm, edited 2 times in total.
My opinion, 15 inches is the breed standard period, I have a couple oversized dogs and I do take them to trials, but I go into it like this...if I get measured I know they are over and anyone that owns big dogs know they are oversized too quit kidding yourselves, put your dog back in the truck thats the rules.
Now this mudd slinging gets me a little worked up in this tread and others, Tony Upton and Kevin Monroe are Mr ARHA they are all about the organization, and these gentlemen are some of the nices people you will ever meet. I will tell you a little story about these 2 guys: when I was starting to get into trialing these 2 guys helped me find dogs that would compete, they both sold me dogs that were not pot lickers but dogs that had places or potenial to place and they did not skin me either, now these guys did not know me from Adam, but they were willing to help me get started in NKC not bad for a couple of guy that people call cheaters or "They have attitudes"
Both these guys knows what it takes to win big hunts and it looks too me like there is a bunch of jealousy going around these threads, I have ran with both these guys there dogs beat my butt all over the place, but you know what I do, I put my dogs back in the truck after we are done, and smile about it because I see what it takes to win in ARHA. Now maybe some of you breeders have forgot what it takes to win, and maybe you all found out at the world hunt that you did not have the dog to do it, I know I don't have the dog to beat them either, but the last time I checked you get no points for leading the pack, ARHA is all about the hunt and checking power of dogs, so you guys keep breeding your "HORSES" and I will guarantee you, you will get your butts beat again and again by these guys with "Attitudes", they are serious about there dogs conditioning.
My opinion, I could be right
Now this mudd slinging gets me a little worked up in this tread and others, Tony Upton and Kevin Monroe are Mr ARHA they are all about the organization, and these gentlemen are some of the nices people you will ever meet. I will tell you a little story about these 2 guys: when I was starting to get into trialing these 2 guys helped me find dogs that would compete, they both sold me dogs that were not pot lickers but dogs that had places or potenial to place and they did not skin me either, now these guys did not know me from Adam, but they were willing to help me get started in NKC not bad for a couple of guy that people call cheaters or "They have attitudes"
Both these guys knows what it takes to win big hunts and it looks too me like there is a bunch of jealousy going around these threads, I have ran with both these guys there dogs beat my butt all over the place, but you know what I do, I put my dogs back in the truck after we are done, and smile about it because I see what it takes to win in ARHA. Now maybe some of you breeders have forgot what it takes to win, and maybe you all found out at the world hunt that you did not have the dog to do it, I know I don't have the dog to beat them either, but the last time I checked you get no points for leading the pack, ARHA is all about the hunt and checking power of dogs, so you guys keep breeding your "HORSES" and I will guarantee you, you will get your butts beat again and again by these guys with "Attitudes", they are serious about there dogs conditioning.
My opinion, I could be right
OR you could be wrong as well... Now let me tell you a story about one of them...first time I met tony he hit on me... 
(i am a girl)
I don't know kevin i'm sure hes a fine man as well. But when people start sticking thier dogs before they go out for whatever reason thats a bunch of shi*...and anybody else who acts like a two year old kid crying cause he couldnt get his candy when he loses doesn't have ANY kind of sportsmanship to begin with. And EVERBODY knows what kind of attitude he has when he loses.On one particular day he ripped the collar off his dog put it in the box
samed his tailgate shut (all the while bitc*ing like a little girl) then doing a complete u turn in the road and left everybody else on the cast to find their own way back. C'mon GROW UP... yea hes got good dogs but in this case it isn't totally about the dogs..
and as far as the "horses" go put the two dogs down together for an hour and see what happens....
And most people don't measure dogs for the idea that they do have confidence in thier dog and as many times as they are wrong they are right.
(i am a girl) I don't know kevin i'm sure hes a fine man as well. But when people start sticking thier dogs before they go out for whatever reason thats a bunch of shi*...and anybody else who acts like a two year old kid crying cause he couldnt get his candy when he loses doesn't have ANY kind of sportsmanship to begin with. And EVERBODY knows what kind of attitude he has when he loses.On one particular day he ripped the collar off his dog put it in the box
samed his tailgate shut (all the while bitc*ing like a little girl) then doing a complete u turn in the road and left everybody else on the cast to find their own way back. C'mon GROW UP... yea hes got good dogs but in this case it isn't totally about the dogs..
and as far as the "horses" go put the two dogs down together for an hour and see what happens....
And most people don't measure dogs for the idea that they do have confidence in thier dog and as many times as they are wrong they are right.
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JIMMIE ABSHIRE
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T-boy quick question , where did you place in the world this year?
another quick question for ya , who do you think the breeder of reggie is ?
Ok , now tell me of 1 dog eiether of your heros have bred that is placing.
Do not tell me that me as a breeder they are superior , they are buying not breeding , so when my three legged dog gets back on four legs , the dog i raised cuz i bred it . I will run with eiether dog at any time for any amount of money - lets roll into indiana and run for say 5 hours where conditioning is a factor not a hour where luck plays a great roll . I know
and have no problem with tony or kevin , but they are very beatable . I have not won hound of the year since 98 but guess what when old jimbo won it it was done in 5 hunts not every weekend . So food for thought
another quick question for ya , who do you think the breeder of reggie is ?
Ok , now tell me of 1 dog eiether of your heros have bred that is placing.
Do not tell me that me as a breeder they are superior , they are buying not breeding , so when my three legged dog gets back on four legs , the dog i raised cuz i bred it . I will run with eiether dog at any time for any amount of money - lets roll into indiana and run for say 5 hours where conditioning is a factor not a hour where luck plays a great roll . I know
and have no problem with tony or kevin , but they are very beatable . I have not won hound of the year since 98 but guess what when old jimbo won it it was done in 5 hunts not every weekend . So food for thought
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let honesty run through the veins of each and every judge at each and every trial at each and
every format.
every format.
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Pine Mt Beagles
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RULE CHANGE
HEY JIMMY
YOU KNOW ANYONE CAN BUY A DOG THAT IS WINNING AND PLACE IT,IF THE BREEDERS KEEP BREEDING.SHOULD WE HAVE A SEPERATE CLASS FOR THE 13 IN.DOGS I FEEL MUCH BETTER BEATING A BIG DOG THAN A LITTLE ONE,IF I'M LUCKY ENIOUGH TO WIN,
PINE MT BEAGLES
YOU KNOW ANYONE CAN BUY A DOG THAT IS WINNING AND PLACE IT,IF THE BREEDERS KEEP BREEDING.SHOULD WE HAVE A SEPERATE CLASS FOR THE 13 IN.DOGS I FEEL MUCH BETTER BEATING A BIG DOG THAN A LITTLE ONE,IF I'M LUCKY ENIOUGH TO WIN,
PINE MT BEAGLES
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JIMMIE ABSHIRE
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Hey t-boy , i finished 6th with a dog that has a foot broken and a pad tore off SO GUESS I AM PLEASED . Never the less i did place , but that ol foot will heal , so my offer stands what about it ? Since you got there culls maybe you want some of it , i got more dogs that i did not buy - i bred , so anytime fill free to come and get a taste of it Bring mr. arha they are 15 and under 
Bring mr. arha they are 15 and under Old school Northway . Full Throttle no Bottle.
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Adam M. O'Donnell
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The original post was asking about a rule change to eliminate the posibility of a dog being measured "after" the first round is completed.
I find it apauling you guys turned this post into a Tony Upton bash because he had a dog measured that he obviously knew to be over 15".
flyboyc141 wrote:
"Tony Upton the guy who had the dog measured is as crooked as they come"
Chris Shoopman wrote:
"the guy who had that done is Chicken Sh*t"
Clippy wrote:
"some prick has to ruin his trip because his hound was a 1/4" over"
You guys all know Tony doesn't get on this computer. Seems kinda yellow to get on here and tell the world what you think, and yet nobody said a word to Tony at the world hunt. Sounds like pure jelousy to me!
Jimmy Abshire wrote:
"why shatter a kid that made it to the semis in his first world hunt"
Because the dog measured out, that's why! He knew his dog was too tall or he wouldn't have been across the street whippin it with a stick before they measured it. Doesn't sound like a new comer to me. And didn't this "kid" judge at the world hunt last year?
You guys need to face the music, the 15" rule stands, and no man should be ripped on for expecting that rule or any other rule to be enforced!
You guys complain about Tony's friends having dogs over 15" but I don't see any of you asking for a measure? You've called him "chicken"
Sounds to me he has more guts than anyone else to take a stand against dogs running that are over! Good for him!
I find it apauling you guys turned this post into a Tony Upton bash because he had a dog measured that he obviously knew to be over 15".
flyboyc141 wrote:
"Tony Upton the guy who had the dog measured is as crooked as they come"
Chris Shoopman wrote:
"the guy who had that done is Chicken Sh*t"
Clippy wrote:
"some prick has to ruin his trip because his hound was a 1/4" over"
You guys all know Tony doesn't get on this computer. Seems kinda yellow to get on here and tell the world what you think, and yet nobody said a word to Tony at the world hunt. Sounds like pure jelousy to me!
Jimmy Abshire wrote:
"why shatter a kid that made it to the semis in his first world hunt"
Because the dog measured out, that's why! He knew his dog was too tall or he wouldn't have been across the street whippin it with a stick before they measured it. Doesn't sound like a new comer to me. And didn't this "kid" judge at the world hunt last year?
You guys need to face the music, the 15" rule stands, and no man should be ripped on for expecting that rule or any other rule to be enforced!
You guys complain about Tony's friends having dogs over 15" but I don't see any of you asking for a measure? You've called him "chicken"
Sounds to me he has more guts than anyone else to take a stand against dogs running that are over! Good for him!
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those of you said i cheated while judging can not admit you got beat !!!!!!!. also the dog at the world measured 15.75" after they beat the hell out of him. get the facts straight. you guys kwow when your dog is over.you run the risk of getting measured. get over it ,run smaller dogs,or get the rule changed.i normally dont reply about anything on the web but if i do will have enough nerve to put my name on it.