Question for everyone

Windkist · Post by **Windkist** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:01 pm

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject:

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"For what it's worth, AKC will not register a litter sired by a male under 9 months, nor will it register a litter off a dam under 12 months. Personally I wouldn't use a pup to sire a litter but I do like to try a young stud (between 1 1/2 to 2 years old) "

Here are the actual AKC requirements in regards to age of mating and whelping.

How old must the sire or dam be in order for a litter to be eligible for registration?

Chapter 3, Section 5 of the Rules Applying to Registration and Discipline reads as follows:
"No dog or litter out of a dam under eight (8) months or over twelve (12) years of age at the time of mating, or by a sire under seven (7) months or over twelve (12) years of age at the time of mating, will be registered unless the application for registration shall be accompanied by an affidavit or evidence which shall prove the fact to the satisfaction of The American Kennel Club."

JAW · Post by **JAW** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:05 pm

JAW wrote:.From a breeders perspective when you really think about some of your statement envolving the hound paying more attention to a female in heat than going hunting you can hardly call that lack of desire to hunt because that's natures call for reproduction and I find it hard to believe that a hounds desire to run a rabbit should be or is stronger than natures call of LOVE.These are hounds(not people that can resist the sexual urge when they have a mind too) were talking about,animals that are governed mostly by instinct (natures way;inborn impluse) and some learned traits that we show them. John

We beaglers use common sense every day maybe not the way some use it,but nonetheless we use it.As far as being compared to a hound that's not good I'd hate the though of eating crap and screwing a close family member. Humans have more intellect than animals(that's why we don't do the above) and have far more reasoning ability too.I've not tried the theory that Back40 mention but it's only logical from a breeders stand point to breed to a hound that would rather run rabbits when let loose than have his mind on a hot females.I don't think that a hounds desire to hunt is stronger than natures call to LOVE,but I'm not one to call anyone a liar just because his hound did something and mine didn't or he has a different opinion than I have.I will say that I'm going to try this theory out on my hounds to see what happen. I don't think my hounds will pass a hot female but I'll see if they will.John

Tim H · Post by **Tim H** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:12 pm

back40, I hope you see that my post was tongue in cheek and not intended to offend you.

back40 · Post by **back40** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:54 pm

Tim,
To be honest, I'm a little slow and wasn't quite sure. But I did get a laugh out of the black marks on the pavement comment.

Jimmie,
Now that's funny, I don't care who...............

Farwest · Post by **Farwest** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:30 pm

Branko's ali baba wouldn't breed a lot of the bitches taken to him unless branko ran him first. He would just sit there and do nothing until he had his run.

coyote hunter · Post by **coyote hunter** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:44 pm

So Farwest is that you or the captain talking ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Steve C. · Post by **Steve C.** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:23 am

Windkist, I'm going to go back and double check, but it appears I stand corrected. I could say that I was justing folks' knowledge of the rules but I went by memory, which is getting suspect these days, it seems. Thanks for the correction.

S.R.Patch · Post by **S.R.Patch** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:25 am

Greg H wrote:SR Patch,
Your right trying to compare breeding horses to hounds is not a good idea.
There is far more pressure in breeding horses and its so much more complex that I really can't compare the two.

Now, if I read right, Linesman was able to change his genetic make up just by hunting. Thats amazing. As he grew older and developed the ability to work the check he morfed he genes in a way that he passed this on to his offspring. WOW. You know better than that!! He was going to produce the same style of pups if he had stayed in his pen for 3 years. All you did by running him was exposed this gene that made him the dog he was. When he started passing it on you exposed another gene that made him a great producer. If he hadn't pocessed the gene to pass on his traits we would be hearing stories about this great hound that really never took off as a stud.

Greg,
The hound I'm speaking of was called "John" around the kennel, named after John Shimer, his breeder. The records show him a more familiar name, "Gray's Linesman", there should be a few who've heard of him...

Standard and selection are the two most important things in breeding, for without them we are walking in the dark. We gather those who exhibit like abilities that meet our standard, in hopes of creating the potency, that these qualities are passed on to the offspring, thus building the prepotency, that these qualities will become dominant and appear in a large percentage of the pups.
As someone said, levelheadedness and the ability to stand pack pressure must be tested for, as even the most promising nut, can crack...