Another One Bites The Dust.....

Shane Smith · Post by **Shane Smith** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:16 pm

The way I see it.We all enjoy what we do. When you have to put rabbit,deer,ect on the table to survive, then you can argue. Otherwise you are right here with the rest of us.And besides, that cat probaly fed a family of opossums for a month, and Lord knows what you would think if we killed one of those lovely creatures.

Hatfield · Post by **Hatfield** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:18 pm

I hate cats!

J Rooster · Post by **J Rooster** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:20 pm

I didn' mean that all women are PETA supporters. I know there are women on this board and that's great. Wish more women were like the ones in here. Here is a simple fact. MSU is an IDIOT. Sounds like you might be on MSU's side BunnyRunner.

Bunny Runner · Post by **Bunny Runner** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:50 pm

Rooster,

I am on my own side, lol. I don't take sides, but I do look at things from more than one perspective (my own included). Just don't like to see things get hostile.

Like I said before, to each his own!

J Rooster · Post by **J Rooster** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:52 pm

Gotcha BunnyRunner

WVbunnyhunter · Post by **WVbunnyhunter** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:19 pm

What great entertainment!!!

Tom, I wish you would kill more so Jack can post them on here.....This could become a soap-opra. I think we could call it "The pretty bobcat who got shot and can't kill rabbits anymore." OK the title could use some work but it's a start.LOL...

I think it was a good thing and that everybody should be doing it. Especially if you want to have good rabbit hounds because everybody knows that the more rabbits you can put your hounds on, the better your hound will be.

As far a MSUdawgs feelings.....Sorry you feel that way(well not really, just trying to console you) but I'll be willing to bet you have plenty of pics with you posing by a "lifeless" animal somewhere. (if you are really a sportsman) You say you aren't a PETA person....Are you by anychance with the ACLU?

Killem all Tom

Chaffin Crank

PLATEAUBEAGLER · Post by **PLATEAUBEAGLER** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:17 am

Well from what i've read on this it has been pretty good,ya know when ya touch a nerve cause ol TC jumps in there really quick, i don't know you but i would sure hope to meet you some day i bet we would hit it off from the get go.

Know MSU say what you want but your talking in circles to me, but to put it simple enough for you to understand, this so called bragging killer who kills pretty cats, traped it legally and showed it off like most hunter or trapers do.

And he done it for a good reason and it's for the fur, no he didn't wear it but he sold it for others to do so and made 80.00 to help feed his family or to buy what they might need.

Now that sounds reason enough to do what he did along with bragging rights.
Don't know if you have run traps on a daily schedule but i have and let me tell 80.00 looks pretty good after all the work you put into it.
I hope him and his family went out and had a big old stake dinner with the money, i know we would have.

MSU Dawg · Post by **MSU Dawg** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:18 am

OK, I'm back. Sorry I don't have time to check the board all the time. I will try to address all your posts ...

Briarhopper: Thank you for proving my point. "I shot this big cat b/c he was the largest one I've ever seen." Ego at it's best. It is this type of behaviour that makes hunters look so bad in the eyes of JQP.

xdawg: Thanks for the info. No, it is not a joke. I am serious. I am all for hunting if it's done for the right reasons. But to see a person leering into the camera w/ the corpse of a beautiful animal that was killed for no good reason saddens me & it saddens me further to see it being bragged on. Why kill an animal if it's not a threat or you're not going to eat it? IMO to do so is not humane & it's not good stewardship. As for trialing, I think my hounds are too young to trial but work schedule permitting I do hope to trial w/ them.

J. Rooster: No, I am not a PETA supporter. In fact, as a person who has owned & bred gamebred pit bulls for almost a decade, I despise PETA. But even though I am anti-PETA I still think the senseless killing of an animal is sad & it's even more sad when it's bragged on. If you're going to eat it, fine. If the animal poses a danger, fine. But to kill it for no good reason? As I said before that is simply inhumane & poor stewardship.

Yes, I am a woman but I am not "posing" to be anything. I came to this board b/c I have some hounds & believe in a breed should do what it is bred to do. Do I carry a gun? Yes. In fact, I have my own rifle (gasp!). I also own a 4x4 truck (horrors!) & 3 hounds (will it ever end?!). I was a rifle marksman in the military & I enjoy gun sports, to include hunting. I But it doesn't mean I support the killing animals for no reason other than ego. If I kill an animal it's to eat, rabbits included!

Bunny Runner: I agree. I am a woman & I despise PETA.

Shane: I agree. Our family only killed to feed hungry mouths & our family will continue to kill for that reason & that reason only. To kill for any other reason besides consumption or safety reasons is not humane IMO. As for possums, I do not like them! But I still don't think they should be killed unless they pose a danger.

WV Bunny Hunter: I'm glad you find this entertaining. I find it sad. I didn't think so many men could be so brutal & cruel.

I agree the more rabbits you can get your hound on the better your hound will be. But isn't that what hunting clubs are for?? As a preserve for game so hounds may be run?

As for me, no I do not have any pictures of myself posing next to dead animals. If I hunt it's for food, not for a photo op! And to think posing next to dead animals make you a sportsman is absurd. IMO proper care of your hounds, proper care of your weapon & harvesting animals in a humane way for a good reason is what makes a person a sportsman. Not posing next to dead animals.

PLATEAUBEAGLER: Thanks for the info. I think yours was one of the best posts yet. You really lent some insight to the thread & did so in a mature manner. However I must ask - does this man not have a job that he must kill cats to provide for this family? And if trapping is as much work as you say, surely $80 isn't an profit is it?

I dunno guys. Maybe I am just a purist. I cannot see killing an animal uinless you're going to eat it or it poses a danger. Anything else to me is just cruelty or ego.

xdawg · Post by **xdawg** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:19 am

MSU Dawg,

You keep saying the killing of such a beautiful and for no reason, i have clearly stated to you the reason why the animal was killed. The animal is a known predator and the fellas trap sets are targeting known predators on his own land where he runs rabbits year round. Even if you can't understand why this is a solid reason to trap an animal legal, LOOK AROUND.... You are tryin to tear someone down for doing something that 99% of the other board members would do...

As far as rabbit clubs being game reservse UKC clubs on average don't own land for its members to run. WE DON'T RUN IN LOTS... We run wild rabbits in the wild thus the reason i lower the amount of predator which further increases the amount of rabbits.

You see all of this being driven by ego... Ego doesn't drive this man to (no matter how bad the weather is ) check his traps daily.... His drive is his need to lesson the predators in our neck of the woods. Everyone has quit trapping and do you think local officals try to help out our rabbit population at all....NO.....

-Jack

Shane Smith · Post by **Shane Smith** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:03 am

TC · Post by TC » Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:03 am

But isn't that what hunting clubs are for?? As a preserve for game so hounds may be run?

MSU.
Sorry to come across the way I did BUT it IS this kind of attitude that has led to us only being Able to Run Dogs or HUNT in those Special preserves or Clubs. i have seen it first hand. Some one like You with good intentions Tellin Everybody Oh How Cruel and unjust it is to kill a poor Defensless animal that has led others to jump on the bandwagon And Start the ball rolling to Help protect these Beautiful Creatures! The next thing you know they are foermin a group to help protect em then along comes a BIGGER orginization With Different agendas(PETA, Seira Club,ALF ECT) They jump on your wagon sayin We will help ya protect these Creatures and BAM next thing ya know ya caint hunt nuthin on Goverment land. LAND that WE as Sportsman help to Support How much money do you think PETA gives the USDA Forest Service each year.
Thats all i was sayin is that it always starts with one person Complainin about it and then you have nuthin to hunt but Clubs and Preserves
Here is an Example
little lady From Cali is walkin on a trail in a Wilderness area and Dang if she dont step in Some horse poop!!!! Well this just peeves her to no End so she starts tellin her other Seira Club buddies And next thing ya know you caint ride a horse on the trails Without it havin a DIAPER ON!!!!!
$150 fine if yer Caught
There is also the little ordeal With the Spotted owl!!!! 100s of thousands lost thier Jobs because Someone thought these Cute little birds were bein harmed.
Well I guess you get my point!
Now I also see your point of view I to believe that if ya Kill it eat it BUT you also have to believe in Game management And the IDIVIDUALS RIGHTS Because ONCE WE Start threatnin those RIGHTS WE MAY ALL Loose!!!!!!!!!!!
TC

redneck454 · Post by **redneck454** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:51 am

msu... this is about the stupidest post i have ever read lol. It's great. along with xdawg i personally know the man that trapped this cat. he does it so that he can run his rabbit dogs without putting the dogs or the rabbits in danger. he hardly ever shoots a rabbit. as far as i am concerned he is one of the best game conservationists in this part of WV.

Blue Briar Kennel · Post by **Blue Briar Kennel** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:53 am

Keep those pictures coming coming guys. Its sad that you can't even put a dead animal on a hunting board without people whining about how awful it is to shoot such a beautiful animal. I wish I would've took pictures of the 3 foxes we killed this year. I would love to post them on here.

Jeremy

J.B.M. · Post by **J.B.M.** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:53 pm

I have a friend that lives in Cabell Co. WV. The rabbit population has been decimated recently on his fifty acre farm. Last deer season he saw fifteen bobcats while in his stand. He also is struggling with coyotes. If someone wants to complain about so-called needless killing, maybe they should talk to the powers- that- be about all the development that is taking place. In my friend's area of WV every field or halfway level tract of land is being developed into subdivisions, destroying rabbit habitat and pushing animals like bobcats into smaller and smaller areas, therefore creating a need to decrease the population. As these bobcats, coyotes etc. are forced into smaller areas they decimate the rabbit, grouse, quail etc. populations. Since man has created the problem through development, then man must adjust the population on the diminished habitat. Once the small game populations have been wiped out, the predators will face starvation. It seems to me that a death by trap or firearm is far more desirable than succumbing to starvation or disease.

Bunny Runner · Post by **Bunny Runner** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:13 pm

People have caused alot of the problems in wildlife conservation today! Encrochment, over/under hunting, and even wildlife "management" has thrown populations out of balance in alot of areas.

Nature has a way of controlling populations on it's own, but we tend to think that we are the answer to ALL problems! Actually, WE are the problem, 70% of the time!

Sometimes you have to let nature takes it's course AND control itself and then sometimes man must intervene. The key here is to know WHEN we need to step in.

For example, here in NC, the natural predators of deer have been irradicated because of "concerned" citizens fearing that cougars would "attack" a human or kill some of their live stock. Now that they no longer inhabit alot of the areas they used to, we are overpopulated with deer. This overpopulation causes MILLIONS of dollars in damage and loss of property and life each year! Now your suppose to ask WHY I REHAB DEER FAWNS, lol. There are many diseases now being found in deer because mother nature has had to take matters in her own hands to control the populations.

If we continue to "step in" when were not needed, deer won't be the only species that is out of control.

Just my two cents!