Does anyone have any experiance crossing beagle's and bassets? What do they come out looking like and would you call them successfull crosses? And finally does anyone know of any pups like this that are available? Thanks.
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Alabama John
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They have always been popular with a lot of folks down here as beagles are believed to be better water dogs with a quarter or eighth of basset.
I have a friend that has some pups that are just started running, but he has a long list of prospective buyers. He has a stud dog that is about a quarter so his pups with a full beagle are considered just right.
I'm sure you could breed to him if you like and he is an exceptional rabbit dog.
The pups do not have the stumpy legs, but straight ones like a beagle. Just have heavier bodies and longer ears and real good noses for the bad tracking days. I bet they would do good on snow, as I read how you Yankees describe your conditions.
They tend to weigh more than a normal beagle as well.
I have a friend that has some pups that are just started running, but he has a long list of prospective buyers. He has a stud dog that is about a quarter so his pups with a full beagle are considered just right.
I'm sure you could breed to him if you like and he is an exceptional rabbit dog.
The pups do not have the stumpy legs, but straight ones like a beagle. Just have heavier bodies and longer ears and real good noses for the bad tracking days. I bet they would do good on snow, as I read how you Yankees describe your conditions.
They tend to weigh more than a normal beagle as well.
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ive seen one great one ,ive seen a few pictures of beagles in magazines that i thought looked like they had some basset in them . ? if it puts some nose in them it cant hurt. john it was +9 above here this am fresh snow . no wind , no snakes , no bugs , youll have to bring the grits pete
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John,
I had weather here this am like Pete is talking about, 8 inches of powder wind blown snow.
You John are a smart man when it comes to not wanting to know the cold we have especialy when heating oil here is at 1.65 a gallon. I get real jealous when I hear it is warm and green there but the freaking snake thing......EEEEKKKK! You must need some great eye sight to spot the slithering buggers. I still plan to move to a warmer climate when the kids are off on their own and that is not to far down the road. Let me ask you a serious question. Have you or anyone you know ever been snake bitten whike out running hounds or otherwise enjoying the outdoors? Hey Pete the female with the big nose may be coming into her heat cycle and I will keep you posted if I get her bred to my male. If I do lets keep our fingers crossed that she does a better job of caring for them this time.
Peace,
NYH
I had weather here this am like Pete is talking about, 8 inches of powder wind blown snow.
You John are a smart man when it comes to not wanting to know the cold we have especialy when heating oil here is at 1.65 a gallon. I get real jealous when I hear it is warm and green there but the freaking snake thing......EEEEKKKK! You must need some great eye sight to spot the slithering buggers. I still plan to move to a warmer climate when the kids are off on their own and that is not to far down the road. Let me ask you a serious question. Have you or anyone you know ever been snake bitten whike out running hounds or otherwise enjoying the outdoors? Hey Pete the female with the big nose may be coming into her heat cycle and I will keep you posted if I get her bred to my male. If I do lets keep our fingers crossed that she does a better job of caring for them this time.Peace,
NYH
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NYH, I have been bitten twice in my lifetime, once when 11 and again about 21-22. Never went to a doctor either time.
While coon hunting, we have had several get bitten, one was backing up in thick bushes to get a better sight on a treed coon next to a river and a moccasin got him on the shoulder.
I've never seen anyone get bitten that had a snake mad and ready to give you a full shot. There is a Rattlesnake roundup here that is popular with a lot of folks since locals do some crazy things such as filling a zipped up sleeping bag full of fresh caught rattlesnakes and then getting into it themselves.
I think they were from TEXAS!!!!!
They are seen at our trials sometimes and the cast just swings around them and goes on. Had some dogs get bitten at our trials running grounds, but not a man that I know of.
Keep your eyes looking about 4 feet off the ground and you'll never see a snake.lol
They do not bite man or dogs as much as folks think, usually let you pass right on by in weeds and you never know they were there.
Not a big deal!
While coon hunting, we have had several get bitten, one was backing up in thick bushes to get a better sight on a treed coon next to a river and a moccasin got him on the shoulder.
I've never seen anyone get bitten that had a snake mad and ready to give you a full shot. There is a Rattlesnake roundup here that is popular with a lot of folks since locals do some crazy things such as filling a zipped up sleeping bag full of fresh caught rattlesnakes and then getting into it themselves.
I think they were from TEXAS!!!!!
They are seen at our trials sometimes and the cast just swings around them and goes on. Had some dogs get bitten at our trials running grounds, but not a man that I know of.
Keep your eyes looking about 4 feet off the ground and you'll never see a snake.lol
They do not bite man or dogs as much as folks think, usually let you pass right on by in weeds and you never know they were there.
Not a big deal!
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i have heard rumors of bassetts being bred into beagles and then still registering them as beagles with the akc....and entered and running and championing ing out......i have seen some of these dogs and their bloodlines....i have seen some dogs with a bassett type body and a beagles head....you would swear that it was a bassett's breeding with a beagle...but then again this was hearsay and rumors...some great pedigrees seem to be challenged by those that say it had some questionable breedings in them.... 
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In this months rabbit hunter magazine, the old Houndsman speaks of hybred vigor, seldom spoken of anymore, but, he's right.
Mixing various breeds of hounds with beagles was a very common thing years ago.
One that was popular here was short, small boned redbones or black and tans mixed with beagles.
Most hunters just simply wanted the best rabbit dog they could get to bring home the supper meat and that was all.
Mixing various breeds of hounds with beagles was a very common thing years ago.
One that was popular here was short, small boned redbones or black and tans mixed with beagles.
Most hunters just simply wanted the best rabbit dog they could get to bring home the supper meat and that was all.
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Joe,
I have seen the crosses you speak of being passed off as Bassets in trials but these were not in AKC events. It seems that folks are willing to turn a blind eye to the situation so it is no hair off my head (I'M BALD).
As John says crossing up hounds to get better hounds was common and I see nothing wrong with it if you are looking to get a good meat hound. Hell I couldn't care less if you threw in some pitbull so they could fight off the coyotes. But to pass them off to others as pure anything is dishonest at best and maybe illeagle for all I know. I think in days gone by a fella with a great beagle might get together with a fella down the road with a super blue tic or basset or black-n-tan and raise them up some pups. This as John said to put some game on the table at the end of the day.
John....thanks for the info on snakes. If I come down that way you will know me as the guy that never looks up!
Peace,
NYH
I have seen the crosses you speak of being passed off as Bassets in trials but these were not in AKC events. It seems that folks are willing to turn a blind eye to the situation so it is no hair off my head (I'M BALD).
As John says crossing up hounds to get better hounds was common and I see nothing wrong with it if you are looking to get a good meat hound. Hell I couldn't care less if you threw in some pitbull so they could fight off the coyotes. But to pass them off to others as pure anything is dishonest at best and maybe illeagle for all I know. I think in days gone by a fella with a great beagle might get together with a fella down the road with a super blue tic or basset or black-n-tan and raise them up some pups. This as John said to put some game on the table at the end of the day.John....thanks for the info on snakes. If I come down that way you will know me as the guy that never looks up!
Peace,
NYH
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back in the mid 80's when I decided to get back into beagles I ran across a guy that had alot of so called beagles,all he was,was a back yard dog jocky,dogs ever where mostly off ground small rabbit cage pens.
Any how this guy was into field trials or a hunting club and he was crossing bassets into his dogs to slow them down.At that time I was told he had good dogs,and me not being wise enough yetto this I purchased a female from him,he said she was reg. but couldn't find papers,so I had to go back later and get papers.Can't remember if I reg. her but I know i bred her 1-2 times and their was with out a doubt basset crossed in,some had super long ears,big chests long bodies very short fine hair but the biggest problem they where mean to other kennel mates and very timid so needless to say I discontinude these dogs.I also have some Hounds and Hunting books from 1994-95 and with out a doubt you can see alot of basset crossed into these dogs and they are AKC reg. all kinds of pictures at club hunts off these dogs.Pretty sad people cross in then past them off as reg. stock
Any how this guy was into field trials or a hunting club and he was crossing bassets into his dogs to slow them down.At that time I was told he had good dogs,and me not being wise enough yetto this I purchased a female from him,he said she was reg. but couldn't find papers,so I had to go back later and get papers.Can't remember if I reg. her but I know i bred her 1-2 times and their was with out a doubt basset crossed in,some had super long ears,big chests long bodies very short fine hair but the biggest problem they where mean to other kennel mates and very timid so needless to say I discontinude these dogs.I also have some Hounds and Hunting books from 1994-95 and with out a doubt you can see alot of basset crossed into these dogs and they are AKC reg. all kinds of pictures at club hunts off these dogs.Pretty sad people cross in then past them off as reg. stock
I've seen a lot of beagles with basset-like legs, etc, that looked like they might have some basset in them, but people who've been breeding for 20 years insist they're pure-bred beagles and called them "stumpies." That build just happened to be what certain people bred for, and it supposedly had nothing to do with basset influences. I've known a few that had AKC papers and parents that didn't appear to have any basset in them. The stumpy legs of the pups just happened to be a fault of sorts. There are also plenty of beagles out there with skinny legs and shorter ears than normal, but nobody jumps to the conclusion that they have Jack Russell or something like that in them. Granted, I have seen a lot of beagle-basset mixes, and there are plenty that people thought were pure-bred but probably couldn't have been based on size/weight/features. But just because a beagle has some basset-like features doesn't mean it has basset in its blood.
I don't think that producing mixes is a good idea, even if it's done with good intentions. People who want beagles with certain qualities should breed for those qualities or buy from people who breed for those qualities. And if a beagle doesn't have the traits someone desires, they should find the breed that does. There's no jack-of-all-trades breed, and if you try to produce one, you'll probably just produce a jack-of-no-trades breed.
Furthermore, a beagle-basset cross will not necessarily take the beagle qualities you want and mix them with the basset qualities that you want. It may just as easliy take the beagle qualities you don't want and mix them with the basset qualities you don't want. If you look at any breed "originators," it took several generations of failures to come up with their true foundation stock, and then the breed still continued to evolve well beyond that.
I don't think that producing mixes is a good idea, even if it's done with good intentions. People who want beagles with certain qualities should breed for those qualities or buy from people who breed for those qualities. And if a beagle doesn't have the traits someone desires, they should find the breed that does. There's no jack-of-all-trades breed, and if you try to produce one, you'll probably just produce a jack-of-no-trades breed.
Furthermore, a beagle-basset cross will not necessarily take the beagle qualities you want and mix them with the basset qualities that you want. It may just as easliy take the beagle qualities you don't want and mix them with the basset qualities you don't want. If you look at any breed "originators," it took several generations of failures to come up with their true foundation stock, and then the breed still continued to evolve well beyond that.
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I went through this a while back so I will not bore you again with the long version of this. But, suffice it to say the beagle/ basset mixes I saw were an attempt to put the hunt back into the bassets ....the easy way. Bassets for so long have been bred to be pets, commercial (Hush Puppy), show types that the hunt has been bred out of the most of them. That is not to say that there are still not some out there that do hunt but the most of the ones I have seen lag far behind even the sorriest of beagles. Now before everybody gets in a snit let me tell you I own a basset out of one of the best rabbit hounds I ever hunted with and he was a basset...and the sire of my basset bitch. This basset was Spanky owned by my friend Frank Blockston. He had another basset I liked alot and her name was Honey Pie. These hounds however were the exception and not the rule as far as I could tell. I attended several trials (ARHA) and more could not than could hunt. In many instances it was just a good time out with some nice people who took life a little easier and enjoyed each others company and walking their hounds through the woods. And I can not say that was a bad idea and you would be hard pressed to find nicer people. There were however a group of hounds that looked at least half if not three quarters beagle and these hounds could motor. I even handled a couple for one fella and after a cast had a little girl of about 10 or so come up to me and say "Ah thats a cute one he looks just like a beagle". Out of the mouths of babes!!!!! How come the breed inspector could not see what the little girl could? How come I could see what the little girl did? Who knows? As I said before it makes no difference to me cause its not my arena anyway. But I think instead of taking the easy way out and throwing the hunt back into bassets by breeding beagle in it would be more honest to seek out and breed to those bassets that can really hunt. They are out there if you look hard enough. I know cause as I said before I have hunted with a couple that were the real deal!
And I to have seen old copies of H&H magazine and could swear that those hounds with the droopy eyes, long ears, thick bowed legs and barrel chests were basset and not beagle. Papers or no papers! I wonder if this was done for the exact opposite reason that I suspect it is done in the bassets these days. That is to slow the beagles down enough to suit the fad that was the brace beagle eara. Huh....something to think about!
Peace,
NYH
I went through this a while back so I will not bore you again with the long version of this. But, suffice it to say the beagle/ basset mixes I saw were an attempt to put the hunt back into the bassets ....the easy way. Bassets for so long have been bred to be pets, commercial (Hush Puppy), show types that the hunt has been bred out of the most of them. That is not to say that there are still not some out there that do hunt but the most of the ones I have seen lag far behind even the sorriest of beagles. Now before everybody gets in a snit let me tell you I own a basset out of one of the best rabbit hounds I ever hunted with and he was a basset...and the sire of my basset bitch. This basset was Spanky owned by my friend Frank Blockston. He had another basset I liked alot and her name was Honey Pie. These hounds however were the exception and not the rule as far as I could tell. I attended several trials (ARHA) and more could not than could hunt. In many instances it was just a good time out with some nice people who took life a little easier and enjoyed each others company and walking their hounds through the woods. And I can not say that was a bad idea and you would be hard pressed to find nicer people. There were however a group of hounds that looked at least half if not three quarters beagle and these hounds could motor. I even handled a couple for one fella and after a cast had a little girl of about 10 or so come up to me and say "Ah thats a cute one he looks just like a beagle". Out of the mouths of babes!!!!! How come the breed inspector could not see what the little girl could? How come I could see what the little girl did? Who knows? As I said before it makes no difference to me cause its not my arena anyway. But I think instead of taking the easy way out and throwing the hunt back into bassets by breeding beagle in it would be more honest to seek out and breed to those bassets that can really hunt. They are out there if you look hard enough. I know cause as I said before I have hunted with a couple that were the real deal!
And I to have seen old copies of H&H magazine and could swear that those hounds with the droopy eyes, long ears, thick bowed legs and barrel chests were basset and not beagle. Papers or no papers! I wonder if this was done for the exact opposite reason that I suspect it is done in the bassets these days. That is to slow the beagles down enough to suit the fad that was the brace beagle eara. Huh....something to think about!
Peace,
NYH
Bench Beagles
I am a new Beagle owner, having adopted a 3 year old female from a recue group. I am told she is a bench Beagle. These dogs are bred to be shorter with a longer body to enable them to run closer to the ground.
She looks different than some other Beagles, with a wider noe and bigger feet,broader body.
I would like information about field trials in South Jersey.
Thank you
Kathy K
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