getting a pup to honor a pack

[bluecollar beagler]

ok, ive never ran into this problem before and i need alittle advice. ive got a pup that is very independant and i have been bracing him with my older more polished dog. this pup is about 8 months old and has good hunt and good foot but my problem is when they get started and get that first rabbit up, if they breakdown and go into the check my older dog will grab the check and go with it but the pup will not honor him and go with him at all. he'll stay in the check or go off and try to find another rabbit. even if there just hunting and my older dog jumps a rabbit up and the pup is close he will not go to him and honor him... now if that pup and my older dog are in the same area together and there both tracking they will work good together and the pup will stay with him UNTIL there is a long breakdown and when the older dog grabs it and goes the pup will not follow..sunday evening i ran this pup with my older dog and a buddies dog, the two older dogs would be pounding a rabbit hard within 50 yards of this pup and the pup refused to go to them, instead was hunting around trying to find his own rabbit. is this something you guys think might come with more running or is this like beating a dead horse??? would running him with a few more dogs pull him in to the pack or stick with the bracing ?

[beaglerof4]

8 months old is still young and probably lacks the confidence to run with a pack and gets over whelmed. Maybe do some soloing to let him run some scent by himself and then slowly work him into the pack.

[bluecollar beagler]

he can solo his own rabbit with little to no problem. ive only ran him with two other dogs twice,thats the most he's been out with because i didnt want to overwhelm him or pressure him. any other time he's been braced with my older dog and ive kenneled him with the older dog thinking it would get him to stay with him more in the field but it doesnt seem to be helping. my only concern with solo'ing him was making him worse then he already is in not honoring the other dog...( i probably shouldnt have said pack in my previous posts since its only one dog he's running with!).

[Ky. Hunter]

How long has he been running? In my opinion I would keep taking him with the other dogs because he is still young and the more you run him with the older dogs the better he should get if he loves the rabbit. I have had some young dogs that were slow to pack at first and then I had one that would pack with my other dogs and wouldn't honor a strange dogs bark until It heard one of my other dogs open up but it came around.

[bluecollar beagler]

hes been running for two months pretty good. infact a couple of the times ive had him out with my older dog he's ventured off and jumped his own rabbit and circled it while my other dog was on his own rabbit. i guess what worries me the most is the fact that most of the pups ive ever fooled with at this age would always pack up real well and sometimes not bark on the track for a couple weeks or so until they figured it out. ive never had one that was slow to pack like this and i didnt want to do something to mess him up. at the same time i didnt know if there was something other then just keep running him that i should be doing that might help him along or get him to recognize the other dogs..

[PREACHERS KENNEL]

anytime he is niot with the older dog ,i would go get him, keep him on leash till i get close to the dog if he didnt act like he wanted to go tothe dog he wouldnt get loose,,he aint gonna do his own thing . i fixed a couple like that but i am like you i aint seen that much.

now my firend has had that happen several times ,he hasa a different appraoch ..he will put his boot up that dogs but and hollar at it till it gets there and he wants anybody that gets close to kick the crap out of it till it gets there,. i have seen that work amazingly good. just not my choice..his thought is you cant ruin a ruined dog .

[bluemouse]

My thoughts on this is a little different than most, this little hounds might just be what becomes of his nature a lead dog. As for him not wanting to pack up might be what will make him a great jump dog, most good jump dogs do not care about what other hounds are doing so they search for their own rabbit. He will mature and as he gets older will learn his place in the pack. If you are going to trial this hound it might take some work, but as for a pleasure hound at this age let him do his own thing he will figure it out. It might turn out that the other hounds will honor him as long as he don't lie.

[bluecollar beagler]

preacher, im going to have to give the leash a try and hold him back to see how he acts... definitely not going to try the foot technique lol... ...

[toldyouso]

* months old i would not worry much still a puppy and will do alot of goffy stuff in the next 10 months of his life. wait until he flattens out with the hunt and it will happen. its just a young dog being young.

[Dave Swiger]

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[Crow]

You're not going to hurt an 8 month old pup by either soloing or by running with 1 or 2 finished (& broke) dogs of the same style. At 8 months I would take the "wait & see" approach & just keep giving him a mix of solo & pack running for at least another 2 - 3 months. Even then you're looking at a dog less than 1 year old but the added time is probably what he needs. Just keep feeding him a lot of tracks & see where his nature is taking him. Then you can try to start "tweaking" him. I'm of the mind that a couple others are. Even though he sounds like he is doing well on his own, I'd bet he's not getting much of the track with your older dogs & is wanting to actually run a rabbit. Probably a little overwhelming for him with the finished dogs. Does he ever run the front with your other hounds? If not then that would make me think that even more so. In short I'd run him as much as possible & give him a couple months before getting to worried about it.

[Casey Harner]

Repetition.....

[bluecollar beagler]

crow your probably right and i never give it much thought that this pup isnt seeing much of the front.

[Crow]

Keep us posted on his progress. We may all learn something from whatever you experience. Best of luck.

[Dave Swiger]

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