Question?

hubertsoutlaw · Post by **hubertsoutlaw** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:54 pm

Do you think AKC is the Prestege of beagling? Do you think a AKC FC is harder to get than a arha, ukc or pkc champion?

I have ran with the best of the best in three of the sports and in my opinion, The AKC champion has been for real every single time. An akc field Champion is what i consider the one true champion.

bill (flint river ) · Post by **bill (flint river )** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:38 pm

i agree. but i would word it diffrent.

danny vansickle · Post by **danny vansickle** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:58 pm

the best is a dog that can do it in any orginization,you get a hound that can champion out in two or more registries you got somethin there,as far as wich holds more prestige,well you will get different opinions from everyone,akc guys will say akc and arha guys will say arha and so on.

i guess i would be considered an arha guy but i think that akc promotes a better all around rabbit dog,one that can run the line and keep it going without a ton of breakdowns,plus they shoot a gun over the pack,how many arha champs are gunshy?????????????

the only thing i like about lp as aposed to akc is thet lp promotes indavidial dog ability as apposed to packwork.

but as for wich champion holds more prestige?all depends on what format you run,you could bring the best akc champion to lp and they may not do so well and vise versa.

i think a true champion is a dog that can champion in more than one.

Honey Pot Hounds · Post by **Honey Pot Hounds** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:15 pm

A CH in front of any dogs name doesn't mean much to me until I have seen the dog do what it is supposed to do. There are a lot of good champion dogs in field and show, and there are also a lot of dogs that got their CH through politics. I do think that USUALLY an AKC CH means more to the general dog fancy than a UKC CH, at least in conformation, but that may change over time.

CH or no CH a good dog is a good dog is a good dog. CH's are very nice but having a CH in front of a dogs name doesn't definitly make it a good dog, not until those CH's can't be bought, stolen or borrowed (favors)

TOUCHSTONEBGLS · Post by **TOUCHSTONEBGLS** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:31 pm

In the show dog world an AKC CH is more presigious than a UKC CH.Far more competition! In UKC a Grand CH is the goal. Even a GRCH is not as Prestigious as an AKC CH. However that is changing dramatically. UKC dogs are owner handled, far less politics, lots of fun.
As far as hunt titles go I don't know which is more presigious. Those who breed for search and jump/hunt desire will likely laugh out loud at anyone who has to go kick up a rabbit and yell tally ho to get a chase started for a dog so that it can get points on its CH. I have seen both AKC and UKC champions that I wouldn't feed. The real prestige is in what a dog passes on to the next generation.

hubertsoutlaw · Post by **hubertsoutlaw** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:46 pm

This is good info that I am getting and thats why I put this post up so ARHA people As Far as UKC people can defind there breed. I love the AKC format as much as i do the people in AKC. In ARHA, in every cast people would complain about the judging, that the two best dogs were in the same cast or pack. In AKC the judging for the most part seems fair. The best dogs are getting brought back. There maybe home cooking out there but in the mississippi trial, the jackson(ohio) trial, mid kentucky, south kentucky, and jasmaine county seemed like the best dog one. I here that the North central(ohio) is great, java village in (New York) is great, ect. JPat is one of the most honest and best at judging does that I have been around, and has trialed alot in the past two years. He said that the trials he has been to, that it is usually judged fair. Akc is a hunting and good friendly format that freinds can share for the most part, the best hounds on the country. Some may agree and some disagree. That is my opinion. Lets here more post definding your style or format on dogs. jeremy

Hills Beagles · Post by **Hills Beagles** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:26 pm

I would say the fact that JPAT trials AKC puts them over the top. He's the MAN.

THALL · Post by **THALL** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:03 pm

I'd say it's a lot more difficult to champion a dogin akc than arha.
i've been to trials in both formats.
never been to ukc or pck trials.

gabe · Post by **gabe** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:05 pm

yeah, i hear alot about this so called jpat, even though it is a sissy screen name, (kinda sounds like a femine product of some sort), i hear he and his dogs know how to get the job done. wish i just knew the guy and his legendary recipe for coffee.

main event`s beagles · Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:13 pm

jpat or joepa @ penn state. handle the best dogs i have ever seen on and off the field. jpat judging stats is flawless and priceless i think he has given about 20 wins to hounds that have went on to be fc champions definitely worthy of the honest abe award.

by far the akc is the dominant registry. try and sell a dog without an akc papers with it. i am sure someone will say papers dont run know rabbit but an akc FC is the ultimate look @ the other registries and look where the pedigree of the dogs come from. akc pedigrees are sometimes worth more than the dog. all in all a fc is just a fc if he cant produce.

there are flaws and know registry is perfect like man just enjoy your hounds while both of you are still alive.

JPAT CAN I GET SOME HOLLA the main event

main event`s beagles · Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:15 pm

jpat or joepa @ penn state. handle the best dogs i have ever seen on and off the field. jpat judging stats is flawless and priceless i think he has given about 20 wins to hounds that have went on to be fc champions definitely worthy of the honest abe award.

by far the akc is the dominant registry. try and sell a dog without an akc papers with it. i am sure someone will say papers dont run know rabbit but an akc FC is the ultimate look @ the other registries and look where the pedigree of the dogs come from. akc pedigrees are sometimes worth more than the dog. all in all a fc is just a fc if he cant produce.

there are flaws and know registry is perfect like man just enjoy your hounds while both of you are still alive.

JPAT CAN I GET SOME HOLLA the main event

hubertsoutlaw · Post by **hubertsoutlaw** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:10 pm

See now THAT IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. Good info. Yes JPAT might have a chance to be a judging legend. Of corse he is usually to good to put a post on my topic. Thats ok. Lets talk a little about the best handler of all time GABE. He sure can handle dogs good for other people even the ones he owns half of! lol

mike crabtree · Post by **mike crabtree** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:50 pm

I would run AKC, but around here you need Flat Medium speed or slower.
Ill have to stick to ARHA.
If the Midwest was ran near here I would be there.

Darrell Bordeaux · Post by **Darrell Bordeaux** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:18 am

The only problem I have With the AKC mid-west format Is that yes you can compete In there trials If your dog is AKC registered but to receive any points for CH status you have to become a member of one of there clubs which always seems to $100.00 plus. And for me the nearest club is approx. two to three hrs. away one way so use of clubs grounds or club meetings are going to be rare it doesnt seem fair. If the dog has the ability to win such events he or she should still get the credit . Member or not. Please feel free to correct me If I'm Wrong ?

Jamie Rice · Post by **Jamie Rice** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:17 am

Crabtree... There's three midwest trials within 3 1/2 hours of you. Wurtland Beagle Club in Wurtland, KY... Jackson County Beagle Club in Jackson, OH and Great Miami Beagle Club holds a fall trial in Cumberland, OH. In addition to them Ohio River, whom isn't a MW club but runs same style hound, is in Cambridge, OH.

Darrell... You're incorrect... You don't have to be a member of a midwest club to get AKC championship points. You're confusion is in regards to Midwest Association awards. You have to be a member of a MW club in order to be eligible for MW high hound awards.

As for the original question... AKC field champion title means more to me. And yes it certianly is harder to obtain than any other registry's.