Puppy pricing

[dmart]

I have to agree with honey pot ...If you think a stud will bring you money then you must have a great dog ....I have heard coon hounds making big bucks at stud service ...Frank Giddings famous walker breeder and hunter ...once said that his stud made more then him in a year ...but that hound ended up being the #1 or 2 most producing walkers in history..
GRNITECH ROCK RIVER SACKETT JR. Funny thing about that is JR. was 350 a pop and was breeding females steady (Weekly ) for years . and he still hunted that dog and he was killed while hunting. . So if you have one of the top producing proven studs you might make money... but if your in hounds to make money your in it for the wrong reasons.

[Bopeye]

... but if your in hounds to make money your in it for the wrong reasons.

Now that's a FACT!!

[Honey Pot Hounds]

I don’t understand how you can compare a show dog to a hunting dog! From what I’ve seen at the dog shows I’ve been to, you just have to have a dog that looks like it’s got some life in it, can run in a circle at the end of a lead keeping its tail and head up! Oh, it helps too if you hire a high priced and well-known handler to show your dog for you in that circle for the judge to see. And in regards to shows, it really helps too, if you only pick those shows with judges that like the looks of your dog and have “put them up” at previous shows they’ve judged. You know, the faster you get that champion title the sooner you can charge the big bucks! I know someone will say there’s more to it than that, but come on, we’re not running a beagle through an obedience trial here going for a CDX where a dog is actually expected to perform some required tasks! This is like comparing apples to oranges, the only thing in common is they’re both dogs. When you think of show dogs, think Lexus, Beamers, and Hummers!
When you think of hunting dogs, think bib overalls and pickup trucks with a smelly dog box in the back! LOL
Oh come on chill out, don't you show people have any sense of humor?

Actually Ricko there is some truth in what you are saying. There are some "political" judges out there and there are LOTS of professional handlers with all kinds of tricks up their sleeves to screw us owner/handlers up. The real reward is when you and your beloved Beagle compete against those handlers under a judge that has never seen you before and that judge picks you. It's happened to me and it is about as good as it gets!!

Comparing Show Beagles and Hunting Beagles does seem a lot like comparing Apples and Oranges. My intent was not so much to compare the two types but to share information. If the American Beagler forum would rather not have input from us show people we can certainly accomodate that But I have found that there are things I can learn from the field Beaglers about BEAGLES in general that I come here for. I know there are things we show folk can share with the field folk too.....for example read the frozen semen thread.

Oh, and I think I do have a sense of humor and I sure as heck don't have a Beamer (yet!). Why at home my Beagles occasionally ride in our pickup truck and my husband regularly wears a baseball cap (Either Bush2004 or Red Sox). He may even drink a beer or two and he has a gun cabinet he built himself. Even has some old rifles in it. We usually listen to country music and our newest vehicle is a 1999 Toyota pickup truck.

Yup, we just might be some redneck Beaglers too, LOL. I am sure when Miss Honey is in one of her howling fits the neighbors think so!

[Bopeye]

Aww stick around Honey Pot. This place is plenty big enough for all kinds of beaglers.

[Jim Carman]

I suppose the price of a pup should depend on what age and stage of developement it is in. 7 yrs. ago I kept complete records of the cost of raising a puppy to the age of 6 weeks. I had $75 in each pup at that age. The cost of food, meds, etc. have all gone up since then. I recently sold a started 7 month old pup for $200. I doubt that I broke even. I would call this pup well bred--by a FC out of a bitch by a FC. I would also call him very cheap at that price.

[Honey Pot Hounds]

Thankyou Bopeye

I am interested in how much a top field trial Beagle can sell for? What would you say is the highest price one of the best Beagles in Field Beagles who also produces (male or female) could go for?

Is there much of a market yet in this sport? If not do you see one in the future?

Just curious

[Hunt6]

It is possible to breed a beagle that runs the hips off a rabbit and
has good a show dog body.You can breed a dog that can win in the show ring and be a good all around hunting dog at the same time.

Now for the rub.MOST people - breeders will NOT.They ignore the genetic traits that do not suit their intended goal - s.The Irish Setter comes to mind.I've seen some god awful ugly - cowboy leg beagles win at field trials also...
Hunt6 David P.

[TickedDog]

BY THE TIME YOU COUNT THE COST OF: PRE-PUP CARE FOR THE MOM, DURING PREG. MOM CARE, MOM POST CARE, PUPPY 1ST. SHOTS, AND SOMETIMES 2ND. SHOTS, EVERY WEEK WORMING OF THE PUPS, AND THE VET BILLS FOR MOM, OR PUPS.
AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID, IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG FOR THE BILL TO ADD UP. AND YOU RARELY, OR SHOULD I SAY I RARELY EVER GET OUT WHAT YOU PUT IN. SO 200-300 DOLLARS IS NOT THAT HIGH IF YOU REALLY ADD UP THE COST.

PLUS AS HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, SOME THING THAT IF YOU ARE TOO LOW, OR TOO CHEAP---THAT THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE PUPS--OR ONE OF THE PARENTS---OR YOU'RE HIDING SOMETHING!!

I TOO HAVE ADVERTISED PUPS FOR 100 OR 200 DOLLARS WITH NO RESPONSE, THEN RE-DO THE AD FOR AS MUCH AS 400 OR 450 AND SOLD EVERY ONE WITHIN A DAY OR TWO.

JAMES DAVIS
YELLOW MT. KENNELS

I had a litter of grade pups one time and sold them for 50.00 they all had two shot and were wowmed right on schedule. Mother even had an infection that had to be taken care of. There were five pups. I dont know who your vet is but that is a total of 250.00 for the litter and I actually cleared a little on them. Anything over 200.00 for registered is price gouging.

[samlyn0001]

Now that you have added in the cost of:
1. Worming pups and dam say for every two weeks until eight weeks
2. 1-2 shots for pups depending on how long they are with you
3. Registering the litter with AKC
4. Advertisement if any
5. Pup chow for eight weeks
6. Long distance phone calls ( no limit )
7. Giving a pup or two away or keeping them
8. Straw and cedar for winter
9. Electricity (winter pups is worse)
10. Heat lamps, heating pads, ect.
11. Keeping records of each pup, calling each new owner periodically
12. Vet cost for check and health certificates
13. Delivering pups, and socializing for eight weeks
14. Vet emergency?
15. Possibly delivering pups to meet new owners (miles on your rig)
16. Disinfecting pup sleeping quarters
17. Run a parent or others in your kennel for prospective buyer
18. Whatever else I forgot to add

Now could you tell me how much a pup is supposed to be worth again?
Seems like an awful lot of time put into it also which is not accounted for in the price.

[klrconcrete]

Lets add in the cost of a remodeled kitchen for the wife, new tires for your truck, possibly an oil change and a small donation for the Tsunami relief effort. I uderstand what you are saying but... Alot of the things you are talking about you should be doing for your dogs -on a regular basis anyway.

[oakhill]

But, that is the point. Don't you see???? You say that you make money off a litter of pups by selling pups at $200 if all you took into consideration is once the pups hit the floor. Sure you are making big money. Just throw a couple of hounds together and pristo you have pups. A few worming, maybe a couple of shots, a little pup chow most all is profit.

What we are saying here is that a good breeder will put everything they make off the pups and more back into their kennel. You have to see the big picture not just a litter of pups. Time you put in is irrelevent. If you have 5 hounds and keep them in good shape, nice kennels so they are comfortable, meds for worming, shots and the unexpected emergencies, vet checks, rabies shots,etc, and produce maybe a couple of litters a year, and sell the pups for $100 each then you have not made money. Each these things pertains to the hounds.

But you could add in where the pups have torn the wall up in the utility room where you have kept them because the temp dropped to below zero. And all the disinfectant that you used to clean up poop. The heat lamps in winter and the ac in the summer if you want to keep your hounds cool when it is hot. The mileage on your truck for the many trips to the vet. Then if you really care about your hounds you will keep a well stocked medical bag. Want a list of that??? How about the e collars for the training??? The special food you buy for when I think they need a boost. My hounds like canned chicken, lol Don't forget collars, leads, name tags. Oh I forgot, dog box and I have two, one for summer and one for winter. Some even have training pens to exercise their hounds in when they are too busy working. I like to get the magazines to help me keep up to date on all the hounds. I could throw in the internet because I have learned so much from all the houndsmen and women on here that has helped me take care of my hounds. And on and on and on.

The point is you have to see the big picture. Not the little one Which only starts with pups hitting the floor of the whelping box and ends when the pups are sold.

ALL of these things add up to the production of a healthy litter of rabbit hounds!!!

Sorry, just wanted to add my 2 cents and I couldn't stop.

[klrconcrete]

Like I said I understand all the costs but, the choice to own hounds is yours along with that comes the costs of owning them I have chosen to feed my hounds ground chicken along with diamond kibble a much better diet than straight dry food in my opinion in order to get this I drive two hours one way, pay 35 cents per pound, haul it home and then have to freeze it until use its a pain but I will do it as long as I own beagles I have a very nice kennel that I remodeled this fall cost about 700-800 to do everything this will last me probably ten years easy, Should I try and add that same cost into every pup that I ever whelp here for eternity?

[samlyn0001]

Ok with that being said, why dont you add up the total cost for (how many hounds did you say you had?)
I want to hear a yearly price for just the hounds and no pups.

Dog food
Pens and dog houses
Medical supplies and vets
AKC
Internet
Town licensing
Electric
Heat
Other supplies, bowls, collars, training collars, ect
Mileage
Office supplies, Paper, ink ect.
Misc. hunting and training licenses and permits
Field trailing if you do that
Training pen
Dog purchases

Now tell me you still make a killing off selling a couple litters a year. Guess this will be all the debating I can handle. Will have to agree to disagree.

Take care
and Happy hunting
Lyn Ricker

[steve]

Klrconcrete just to add my 2cents.Being your name has concrete in it tells me you work with the stuff,now would you go out and bid on someones driveway and only do it for cost say on a daily basis,I doubt it.Like others have said getting a fare price for pups is reasonable and most people put it right back into their place/dogs,I know I do.So next time you feel you don't need to make a buck I've got a driveway,sidewalk,patio slabs that need replacing and might want you to do it for cost,P.S. I get 10% off cause I work there so how much would that bring my bill down Have a nice day.

[klrconcrete]

Just to clarify what I am saying should I continue to add material costs for a kennel that was built in 85 into the cost of pups in 04 when does the kennel become paid for?,