GRHBCH GRCH AFTERSHOCK BLUE SHELBY !!!FOR SALE!!!

primetime21 · Post by **primetime21** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:09 pm

I am still trying to see what you found. All you found was a add where He was selling two dogs that he feels will not be AKC trial dogs which in his posts he has stated many times and in his adds he says good for UKC or hunting nowhere does it say Little Pack or AKC. Justin and Jeff mostly run AKC. And as for producing he never said she can't produce he said she was not a good reproducer especially for the format they run. Justin and Jeff no what it takes to win in AKC and Shelby was not it heck I seen her run in her young days and she could not win in ARHA due to either lack of nose or mouth and maybe both. I sen her shoot out of a check many times and say nothing and you could tell she had it so maybe it was confidence who knows. They put Shelby in the right format that was UKC. I think these gentlemen have proven that they no a little about dogs I no Blue is near FC status with all wins and now deceased Nadia won a AKC trial recently at 10 years old and I believe Blue had done well in UKC also. I think maybe Justin might have worded his post a little diffrent in saying she did not produce a certain type of hound but whe na person feels he was taken advantage of whether he was or wasn't people say thing in the wrong frame of mind and they are taken wrong. I wish you the best with Shelby heck I seen her littermate Rainbow run back in the day also.

Thanks Ken

tickledblue · Post by **tickledblue** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:10 pm

This is the female that I own.

slick 50 wrote:She was whelped Jan, 2006. She is running and has been for a while. Good nose, medium fast speed, good mouth. She is redtick in color and has been gunned over. She can earn money in UKC. The sire is a near FC, UKC HBCH GRCH, and has a win in ARHA Little Pack. He has won the AKC Southern Large Pack Championship and the UKC Eliminator

Sire is Near FC, HBCH GRCH, Creek Woods Blue
Mother is GRHBCH GRCH Aftershock Blue Shelby

Blue sire is FC Turbo Powered by Prop
dam is Talk About Blue Iris

Shelby is out of Gr Rbch Goose Creek Sam
Dam is Gr Rbch Gr Bch Keegan's Judy Girl

slick 50 · Post by **slick 50** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:37 pm

primetime21 wrote:I am still trying to see what you found. All you found was a add where He was selling two dogs that he feels will not be AKC trial dogs which in his posts he has stated many times and in his adds he says good for UKC or hunting nowhere does it say Little Pack or AKC. Justin and Jeff mostly run AKC. And as for producing he never said she can't produce he said she was not a good reproducer especially for the format they run. Justin and Jeff no what it takes to win in AKC and Shelby was not it heck I seen her run in her young days and she could not win in ARHA due to either lack of nose or mouth and maybe both. I sen her shoot out of a check many times and say nothing and you could tell she had it so maybe it was confidence who knows. They put Shelby in the right format that was UKC. I think these gentlemen have proven that they no a little about dogs I no Blue is near FC status with all wins and now deceased Nadia won a AKC trial recently at 10 years old and I believe Blue had done well in UKC also. I think maybe Justin might have worded his post a little diffrent in saying she did not produce a certain type of hound but whe na person feels he was taken advantage of whether he was or wasn't people say thing in the wrong frame of mind and they are taken wrong. I wish you the best with Shelby heck I seen her littermate Rainbow run back in the day also.

THERE ARE 3 ADDS, AND DO YOU SEE ANY WHERE IN THESE THAT ITS SAYS THIS,Litter #2 had only 3 that I would call worth anything. tickledblue, you should count yourself lucky with Zora. The other 2 that are some what worth it are, at best, gun dogs only. Just like Wildhare2 said, one has loose lips off the lead and won't shut up when she needs to in the check pulling the other dogs every which way. The other one is tight mouth just like his mom but won't stay in the check area very long. If it doesn't recover soon, he's off to find another and you don't know where until he barks and that ain't often. There where 4 others in that litter and the results were not very good either.
THAT SURE DONT SOUND LIKE A UKC FORMAT DOG TO ME, SOUNDS LIKE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS.....AND UKC SAYS THERE WAS 2 PUPS,YOU CAN BE FREINDS WITH WHO EVER YOU LIKE,!!!!!!!BOTTOM LINE IS , IF A MAN BUY'S A DOG IV OWNED, IV GOT ENOUGH RESPECT TO KEEP MY TRAP SHUT, AND NOT POST NEGATIVE STUFF ABOUT THE DOG OR A MAN I DONT KNOW, AND I KNOW WHEN TO STAY OUT OF SOMEONE ELSE'S BUISSNESS, ALOT OF DOGS ARE THE BEST THING SINCE A ROLLING WHEEL TILL THERE SOLD AND THEN THERE JUNK........THERES A COUPLE DOGS ON HERE IV OWNED AND YOU WONT FIND A POST FROM ME ON THEM,IF A MAN BUY'S A DOG I DONT EXPECT HIM TO CALL ME AND SEE IF IT'S OK TO SELL IT, YOU CAN, BUT IM ENOUGH MAN I WONT AND DONT HAVE TO......THANKS BRETT

Thanks Ken

Big Daddy · Post by **Big Daddy** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:56 pm

Gentlemen,

I have to agree with Primetime21, Concerning Jeff and Justin and their knowledge of hounds. They have a very high standard for the type of hound that they like to compete with in trials . AKC is the format that is prefered by them. Nowhere did they say that Shelby could not produce, only that she didn't produce for the format of their choice. As far as Tickledblue's Zora dog is concerned I know quite a bit about her as I was the One who started her and handled her at the AKC trial that determined whether she would stay with Wild Hare Kennels or she would be "cut " from the team because she didn't quite meet the standards set by Jeff and Justin. I'll not slam anyone's dog on here, but I was personally there when the Judges were asked about Zora's performance. As long as Tickledblue is happy with Zora, I'll be happy for him. So don't be so hard on Someone for trying to see that no harm comes to a dog that they used to own, and cared for for many years.

Sorry for the long post.

Respectfully,

Big Daddy · Post by **Big Daddy** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:56 pm

primetime21 · Post by **primetime21** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:19 pm

First off I will say never met Justin or Jeff seen there name quite a bit in AKC and UKC. Most of my reply was to the comments made as saying I thought she could not produce after you put the puppy findings on there. I read the adds many times and never seen where either of them said she could not produce I seen where they said she did not produce well or throw good pups to their liking. And I say they did the right thing quit trying to get dogs out of her for what they run. I have no idea how many times they bred her to diffrent males but you found a couple diffrent crosses and sounds to me like she threw the exact same traits in her pups as her and as far as I am concerned people as breeders if they are not striving to better the dog or see that a female will not produce better dogs than themselves then they should be culled. Now on the other hand any breeder knows that it is always a crapshoot I have seen many a female that could be bred to a post and make dogs and some of the best paperwork make idiots and then there is always the steady in between dog to papers. About the he sold he gave away deal it does not bother me that was not the reason I posted that deal is between you people's I was just telling you good luck with shelby seen her go many years ago. I seen Sam back when Dave and Scott had him and have judged over Judy Girl,Skim,Shelby, Rainbow, and pups out of Shelby such as Barkley and Kitty. Always remember one person's dislikes could be another person's likes. As I said in my post maybe Justin should have clarified she did not produce good AKC running dogs or dogs to their liking. I believe Barkley and Kitty are grands in ARHA and I believe they are from a male named Surber's RC Red but I believe they are only ARHA registered and both of those two haventy of mouth. Well good luck with Shelby.

Thanks Ken

SMALL TOWN · Post by **SMALL TOWN** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:44 pm

Ken,

You are right! Barkley and Kitty are Grands in ARHA Little Pack. They both did come from Red and Shelby.

Bryan

slick 50 · Post by **slick 50** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:58 pm

EVERYBODY IS INTITLED TO A OPINION, BUT I WASNT SELLING A REPRODUCING FEMALE IN THE ADD, ONLY A COUPLE SEEM TO SEE MY SIDE, THIS IS LIKE ARGUING WITH THE OLD LADY....LOL.....I PUT A DOG ON AND GET SLAMED FROM PEOPLE THAT OWNED HER 3 PEOPLE BEFORE ME , FOR HAVING HER UP FOR SALE......DO YOU GET MY SIDE OR NOT, YOU WONT EVER SEE ME CUT OR SELL A DOG I DONT LIKE, IT WILL BE DESPOSED OF, MY WAY, SO IT WONT REPRODUCE OR GET IN SOMEONE ELSES HANDS, WHEN I BUY A DOG IT'S MY BUISNESS, WHAT I DO WITH IT, YOU BUY A HOUSE OFF ME, I DONT TELL YOU HOW TO UP KEEP IT!!!!!LOL, IF I WANT TO PLUG HER THATS MY BUSSINESS, IF I WANT TO BREED HER, THATS MY BUISSNESS, IF I WANT TO SELL HER THATS MY BUISSNESS, NOT YOURS OR ANYBODYS ELSES, THATS THE WAY I LOOK AT IT......

primetime21 · Post by **primetime21** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:18 pm

Sir I absolutely see both sides yours and theirs. I agree with you if you drove and liked what you saw and bought her and now wanted to move her then that is your deal as long as no words were exchanged about letting anybody no first before selling her around and as for on here have not seen where any promises were exchanged so I believe you should be able to do with her what you want. But I also do not blame another being upset when he gave a dog to a person and then she was sold and then trying to be resold but far as I can see that is not your doing. I am sure justin probably has talked to the people that he wanted to talk to. Once again I was not defending them just replying to some of the posts people put on your guys thread where I believe if they read close they were seeing reading things that were not there. I have never met Justin or Jeff but after listening to them on here as far as a dog they like to run and see what they run I am looking forward to meeting them and getting some words of wisdom I always like listening to people who run my style of dog and strive to breed for it also. Once again Good Lith Ms. Shelby

Thanks Ken

slick 50 · Post by **slick 50** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:30 pm

THANKS KEN, MY HONEST OPINION IS WHEN THEY HAVE IT IT'S GOOD, WHEN THEY SELL IT , IT WAS A PLUG, WHEN THEY RUN UKC ITS THE FORMAT, WHEN THEY RUN AKC, KNOW ITS THE FORMAT.....LOTS OF THEM KIND AROUND....IM DONE!!!!!!SHE WE'LL BE BREED TO A RABBIT DOG THIS TIME, NOT A PED......THANKS FOR ALL THE COMMENTS.BRETT

DRamey · Post by **DRamey** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:09 pm

Um, 2280% less likely to have a heart attack? (I know I'm sticking my nose in, but can't resist a chuckle every now and then) By the way, good to hear wisdom from a houndsman with a decade more with the hounds than I have. I let an 8-year old male go last year back to where he came from as a pup for a stud dog and have been sick about it ever since. I did it because of his heated and air conditioned house for his stud dogs, thinking he would have a better life there. I always dreaded old age for my hounds, I have buried too many. From now on I have decided to "man up" and bury them on my own 34 acres and go on. Good lesson for my 9 yr old son anyway about life and death, I still remember finding my first one dead when I was 11.

tickledblue · Post by **tickledblue** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:50 pm

DRamey, You won't upset me. It's just good too know that I'm not likely to have a heart attack.
I have just been out listening to some dogs run and riding around on my Honda Rancher. It doesn't get much better than that, especially after having turnip greens for super. I am thankful to be living and enjoying life here in the hills of Benton County, Tn.