The Elms Jigs Maggies Mate

[tdog]

My experience with Jigs has been very good so far. My friend was breeding his ace in the hole blood line for years and he had a litter of pups and I could see some major improvements in the traits of this litter. I asked to see the pedigree and he had breed to a nice breed Jigs female.. I started scouting Jigs bred studs and they typically ran with the traits i like. Granted by the time I started looking there were very few left. Jigs breeding is supposed to run with great control and very quick back to the points of loss, good nose and correct mouth. Hunt is supreme and the best known trait of the Jigs line. We did purchase a Jigs stud and he has these traits plus a very good nose and quick to claim. Here is his ped and he is throwing some outstanding pups.. I am almost sure he is the last breeding grandson to Jigs..

We have been very fortunate to have the opportunity to own such a fine hound.. I have been searching hard for line breed Jigs females to attempt to preserve this old blood a little longer.. His stud add and contact info is under general services..


----------------------------------IFC Wally of Floline
------------------------------IFC Line Elm Bimbo
----------------------------------IFC Puffers Cutie Pie
-------------------------IFC Adirondac Bobby
-----------------------------------FC Fish Creek Spike
-------------------------------IFC Adirondac Judy
-----------------------------------FC Adirondac Antoinette
------------------FTC The Elms Jiggs Maggie Mate
-----------------------------------FC Lar-May Huntmaster
--------------------------------FC Dingus McCrae
------------------------------------IFC Cunninham's Anne
-------------------------FTC Branko's Close call Girl
------------------------------------FTC Antrim's Hill Spot
--------------------------------Anna's Ann
------------------------------------Peggy of Annaree
-----------FTC Armando's Zacary
-------------------------------------FTC Rocky Vale Shane
---------------------------------FTC Winterborne Boomerang
-------------------------------------Pataicia Ann 2nd
-------------------------Branko's Con Man
-------------------------------------FTC Antrim's Hill Spot
---------------------------------Anna's Ann
-------------------------------------Peggy of Annaree
------------------FTC Branko's Flying Spark
-------------------------------------FTC Frankielines Chief White Foot
---------------------------------FTC Muskie Lake Bobby
-------------------------------------Muskie Lake Peaches
-------------------------Branko's Lilly Marlene
-------------------------------------Muskie Lake Levi
---------------------------------FTC Branko's Dutch Weifke
-------------------------------------Anna's Ann

Frenchmans Zacary's Last

-------------------------------------FTC Dover Doc of Rockingstone
---------------------------------IFC Ables East Coast Trimmer
-------------------------------------FTC Harelock Candy Bar
-------------------------FTC Branko's Jack of All Trades
-------------------------------------FC Dingus McCrae
---------------------------------FTC Branko's Close call Girl
-------------------------------------Anna's Ann
------------------Shady Creek Tracker Jack
-------------------------------------IFC Adirondac Bobby
---------------------------------FTC The Elms Jiggs Maggie Mate
-------------------------------------FTC Branko's Close call Girl
-------------------------Ceaser's Wirlwind
-------------------------------------FTC Branko's White Blizzard
---------------------------------FTC Ellis Cyclone Cindy
-------------------------------------FC Rolly Polly
----------JR's Gingersnap
-------------------------------------IFC Ables East Coast Trimmer
---------------------------------FTC Branko's Jack of All Trades
-------------------------------------FTC Branko's Close call Girl
-------------------------IFC Branko's Lumberjack
-------------------------------------FTC Branko's Copper Boy
---------------------------------FTC Branko's Sweet Abigale
-------------------------------------Branko's Blue Bell
------------------Five Springs Hot Pursuit
-------------------------------------IFC Ables East Coast Trimmer
---------------------------------Creole Pale Face Dancer
-------------------------------------Sunny Breeze Little Flake
-------------------------Creole Candy Bar
-------------------------------------IFC Moiradale Jim Bob
---------------------------------The Elms Snowflake
-------------------------------------FTC The Elms Tiny Babe

[Chippewa01]

Who's your Ace in the Hole friend Tdog?

[tdog]

Hello Chippewa..
Good to hear from you.. My friend is Alfred Deel .. He is the one who introduced me to the Jigs line.. I watched for every Jigs bred male I could after that and really like the style of these hounds..

[Chippewa01]

Sounds good!! Got me a female pup from Alfred's Shirely female and Armando He's a Dandy. She's a tiny little thing but she's growing on me hear lately! I agree Jigs is the real deal!

[tdog]

I am glad to hear your pup is doing good.. I like the brain that the Jigs line throws.. I ran with your pups sister and she did a nice job..

[Pine Lakes]

Unfortunately, I'm old enough to have seen several directly sired by jigs an even more with jigs "up close". Strong hunt, tight mouthed, and not real strong in the nose department is my experience. That doesn't mean they are all that way, but I believe the majority were. I think Argentevil Striker produces much in the same manner if line bred close(in my experience anyway). Monk warned me of doing this also, so I would guess he felt the same way. I also think that was a trait that the Dingus/Anna's Ann cross passed at times. I say this because White Blizzard dogs were notorious for the same characteristics, as was the offspring of Copper Boy who was sired by City Streaker(littermate to White Blizzard). I've seen the same characteristics from the T-Rex line which carries Jigs blood. Armando's Hawkeye(Jigs X Flying Spark) produced more tight mouthed dogs than any other type. I don't know if Little Conman, Tasha, Northern Tracker, or Zachary produced the same type of hound. My guess is they did, atleast on occasion. This doesn't mean anyone's dogs that have a lineage to any of the afformentioned dogs carry these characteristics, but I guarantee they have the potential to pass it on. This is just my honest opinion of what I've seen over the years. I must say that I doubt anyone has "jigs bred" dogs any longer. There are just to many factors between the dogs of today and Jigs. This is not to say that some of his characteristics are not handed down because they are, I just doubt that it is at a high enough rate to be considered Jigs bred dogs. I hope that I didn't offend anyone, because that was not my intention.

[eddywilliams]

I agree Pine Lakes

[Woodhavenrabbitdogs]

Hell I enjoy my no nosed ,tight mouthed slow Zac pup(Trish). Just me I guess LOL theres all kinds of dogs in all lines and esp. when a dog has been passed for a good while there are gonna be some variation in consistancy that will be produced - but I think there are still some real good Jigs lineage dogs out there even with their age and we will be able to enjoy them for quite awhile longer. If we choose

[drifter22no1]

I don’t often get on here and comment, even when guys are talking about Jigs dogs because very few guys have a clue what a true “Jigs” dog is. Most guys end up with a dog that has the name JIGs in it and it is a Jigs bred dog. While it cannot be denied that the name is in the pedigree not often do they possess the traits that Jigs ran with and was capable of producing if bred very selectively and with luck (without a doubt). Most guys also form their opinions based on what “Old Timers” have told them so their knowledge base of “Jigs” dogs are limited to hear say in most cases and then there are the others that have seen some Jigs dogs run but when asked what Jigs was bred to they don’t have a clue. I spent a lot of years looking for a line bred Jack of all Trades male to breed a line bred Jigs female to and just couldn’t find one that I liked so just like any other dog Jigs did not produce no matter what he was bred to.
For the most part Pine Lake’s assessments of typical Jigs bred dogs are pretty fair. Paul, Ray, and I sat in a diner in Tottenham Ontario years back after running dogs and talked about the various producing abilities of the Jigs Flying Spark dogs and who knew better than the breeder and owner? Without a doubt the only combination that actually reproduced Jigs like (dogs that ran a rabbit with the traits Jigs did) were very carefully matched up crosses with Northern Tracker and Conman. All the rest just didn't have what it took to get the job done on a day in and day out basis. Hawkeye, Zachary, Wolf are a few that were bred here with hopes of getting the rare Jigs like dogs and none of them were reproducers. The only exception was the Silver Bullet dog and then it ended with him as well. The closest that Lorenzo D'Urso ever came was when he made the cross to Tracker with Armando's Northern Echo that produced Tango. Unfortunately bad bites cursed that cross which James Lattimer can testify to. Tango was not a bad producer but because he lacked nose and foot along with bad bite one had to be very careful what and how he was bred to as well. By far the best cross ever produced by Northern Tracker (in my opinion) was Tracker to Armando's Reba and once discovered, before the cross could be repeated Reba was stolen out of Rays yard.
I have spent years running and hunting over Jigs dogs and can assure you that if the right crosses were made and proper culling took place (like any other dog crossed) Jigs dogs like Armando's Northern Tracker, Armando's Little Conman, Armando's Tasha could and did produce True Jigs dogs that actually ran a rabbit with the traits that Jigs himself ran with. LOL, if you think not? Bring the best dog you can get your hands on and come see.
I have spent a lot of time traveling to run with and on the phone talking to people that claim to have "Jigs" bred dogs and in every case what I have found is dogs that have the name "The Elm's Jigs Maggies Mate" in their pedigree but miss the mark by a mile of being "True" Jigs bred dogs meaning; dogs that have the NOSE, FOOT, FOCUS, and most importantly the BRAIN to run a rabbit with gears to actually keep it going in all conditions on any given day and actually get the rabbit back to the gun.
When you get this combination right you can cross the "Jigs" dogs to any dog and produce RABBIT DOGS with the nose and the brain to do it without the extra mouth that the so called big nose bloodlines have and without the lack of mouth that many have witnessed.

Now there is an assessment of “True” Jigs bred dogs based on not only what I have seen here out of dogs that have the name “Jigs” in their pedigree but is also based on what I saw running with everything Ray Morell had in his yard out of Jigs bred to various females and by the way most of which were finished dogs in Canada in Large Pack on Hare in Snow, lol. So if bred right the nose was there but most importantly the BRAIN was present as well.

[Gabby's Beagles]

If you think "jigs" dogs lack foot and hard hitting ability head down Rt.33 to Logan Ohio and run with Jonah. If you want to know about the "jigs" line there isn't to many people who knows more about it. All lines of dogs have some good and some bad that come out of it. That's why I don't like to base my opinion after watching just one dog out of a certain line.

[eddywilliams]

[drifter22no1]

[tdog]

WOW.
I guess I am very fortunate to have Zac. His nose is outstanding and he can throw it in his pups.. I have seen Zac carry a line out of a pack of dogs and no one else would even bark for 50 yards.. I watched his son Chief run a six inch rabbit this morning with precision. I have also seen other pups out of him with great nose.. Macho man and the female Don Lecount both have great nose. I spoke with Jonah last week and the way he talks about Sam he must also have a great nose.. Zac is the closest dog to Jigs I have seen run and I guess all that matters is that he has all the tools.. I honestly think the shot of lumberjack in his blood helps his nose. I have been told these were characteristics of Jigs and believed it because of what I've seen in Zac.. There is not a doubt Jigs produced well and I am sure he was a great dog.. His sons, daughters, grandsons and granddaughters must have produced also because if you look at pedigrees they are in many of them. Do your research and breed the best you can, then hope for the best.. Above all have fun...

[drifter22no1]

lol
There ya go.
If you are satisfied with what you have then that is all that matters, feed what satisfies you.
Keepem runnin boys!!

[Gabby's Beagles]

Speaking for myself I'm not stuck on any certain line of dogs. I'm not kennel blind either. When breeding you should always look to make a breeding that will improve your pack. If I see something better than what I have then I want some of it. That's what everyone should strive for. Not sure why people take things so personal. This thread was about JIGGS DOGS not people.