Half Brother/Sister Cross??

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

I GOT DIBS ON HIS DOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JOEY BUD I THINK U NEED TO GO TRADE THEM IN...

[NorWester1]

NorWesterer,

You are trying to breed up from the Brace style of running and I'll bet you want yours to hunt good too.

Keep one thing about breeding any thing, dog, horse, whatever: it is easier and much quicker to breed down than it is up.

That is what the brace beaglers did with the fast running,hard hunting, short coupled, healthy beagle and why it was accomplished in a short time.

I can breed a champion throughbred race horse to a jackass and in one generation have something totally different and call it a mule!!! See how long it would take to do that in reverse. LOL

Mo. beagler 5000 wrote,

I can make a strain of blind beagles in just a few short breedings and it wouldn't take a whole lot of figuring it out... It would just be stupid to do so... Unless my blind dogs could run rabbits better than seeing dogs i guess..

Ok... c'mon guys........ REALLY??? It was that easy huh? They just threw a couple of beagles together and POOF!!...... Brace Beagling was born, is that it???
It seems to me that it has been said on this forum that just about any dog can run a rabbit, so it's not to difficult to imagine that breeding dogs to run rabbits isn't that hard. In fact one could probably slap just about any two strains together or any two beagles together of just about any quality one could find advertised on this forum and the chances are high that at least some of the pups will have the ability and capacity to run a rabbit to the gun.
Hell.... we see and hear about it all the time on here.
Brace beagles however, are the extreme end of the spectrum. Could just any beagle win a brace trial? Not likely I would think.
This of course begs the question...... which beagles are the mules and which ones the thoroughbreds?


Why not just for sh*ts and giggles you guys breed the stuff you have right now for the brace beagling traits, using breeding techniques you're comfortable with and get back to us when you get there
Mo.5000.... you can make yours blind if you want.

Keep us posted will ya?

[Joeyman]

i want to know when Rabbit Bed Jumping beagles was thrown out the window?

Holy thread hi-jacking

They're not thrown out the window ...... they're just not called beagles. They're called Terriers

I've watched some of your videos. You appear fixated and fascinated by your hound that "went to ground" after the rabbit in that one clip, down by the stream.
And this whole bed jumping thing...... you're after a hot nosed dog with a boat load of hunt.
That's a terrier, dude
Beagles are hounds........ they're track dogs.
Someone needs to take you out for a dig with some good terriers, you'd love it I'm sure.
You'd probably dump all your hounds for terriers, so maybe better not

ahhhhhhhhh Ok

i'm fascinated by dogs that know how to bed jump rabbits and dogs that know how to get rabbits out of holes. Their called beagles not terriers. here's one if you've never see one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0vuSTomzGs


and another - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lGwLAzvnw0



could you please define hot nose?



.

[Joeyman]

norwester. Let me guess you run hare hound dogs. I see you are from canada. That's why you don't know bout bed jumping beagles.

I have one hare hound in my kennel. I can see the difference in how it hunts compared to my little cottontail dog from the midwest. They are different. I've seen it first hand. Its as if my hare bred hound walks around nose down trying to pick up random scent. I call him a strike dog vs. a bed jumper = a smaller dog that works the brush more slowly snooping under tall weeds that have been blown down or even digging herself into brushpiles which we have alot here where i'm from. My big hare hound bred dog is not like this. and when my little dog digs herself underbrush piles while my other idiot dogs don't try and she gets the rabbit out for me. I think thats a one big GIANT plus in my book. ANd she's 100% beagle. Not terrier. Sorry but all beagles should be that way IMO

[ohlinger]

3 questions 3 different people

Norwester..
Have you ever found a dog that actualy suits you ? You preach and preach and cry and cry about dogs noses...have you EVER actualy found one that you can show anyone that has the nose you speak of ?

MO Beagler 5000...
What makes you an expert on anything ? So far I've never read any post that is supported by any sort of facts yet you make it sound like anyting you say is written in stone

Dr.Chris
What are you talking about and trying to argue ? Brace beaglers did'nt almost ruin the hunting beagle if you did'nt want that style of dog then go buy one from the someone that had a hunting beagle b/c there HAS ALWAYS BEEN PLENTY EVEN 30 OR 40 YEARS AGO. the gun dog will never be absent from the beagle breed. I have never seen the need to bash any certain style that a person chooses to enjoy.

haha all 3 of you are completely ridiculous but at least you're making me laugh you're all typing these long winded posts that say absolutely nothing and are completely worthless to read, and I don't believe that any of you 3 have anything more figured out than any other guy reading this forum. Seems to me like you if you 3 could agree with each other you could prbly solve all the worlds problems right here on this board and create the perfect hunting beagle with you're master observations ever all knowing knowledge and professional breeding practices. The purpose between a half brother/ half sister cross is to lock in traits desired from the shared parent bottom line. I think that pretty much sums it up don't you ? No matter what is that your'e trying to lock in ? I'm sure there is a more knowledgeable,scientific and educational 4 paragraph post that each of you 3 can contribute to my post I'd love to read that as well...haha please humor me once more.

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

OHL--- uh did i pee in your cheerios buddie- ????

and i never claimed to be an expert on anything-- however, I do hold a science teaching degree, a 4 year biblical studies degree with a pastoral license, a three year Masters degree in curriculum and instruction with minor in history, and about a thousand stupid achievement awards from working at a best buy for 7 years, bass pro shops for three and my dad breeds dogs for the military of which I have been around mostly my whole life.

I can post my pedigree if you wish... maybe I can be studded out...


how do i know i can make blind beagles--- its easy, take two beagles who have dominant blindess genes for whatever condition you pick that creates blindness in puppies and breed them together and I believe its a 75 percent chance they come out not seeing a thing... maybe more actually but i forget... they do it in lab rats and monkeys when studying gentics and ocular abnormalities..

now if you will quit being a dbag we can get back to the post.... oh and if you want to pm me about any post i was talking through my rectum in then i will be happy to discuss it with you.. phone number is 573-268-7430 if typing is too much

oh wait your still just pissy that I backed up the worming post with FACTS and you refuse to listen to either the me, the msds sheets or common sense....stupid science degree and working in a pharmacy as a tech, whats that worth when your talking about medicine..

[Dr. Chris]

3 questions 3 different people

Norwester..
Have you ever found a dog that actualy suits you ? You preach and preach and cry and cry about dogs noses...have you EVER actualy found one that you can show anyone that has the nose you speak of ?

MO Beagler 5000...
What makes you an expert on anything ? So far I've never read any post that is supported by any sort of facts yet you make it sound like anyting you say is written in stone

Dr.Chris
What are you talking about and trying to argue ? Brace beaglers did'nt almost ruin the hunting beagle if you did'nt want that style of dog then go buy one from the someone that had a hunting beagle b/c there HAS ALWAYS BEEN PLENTY EVEN 30 OR 40 YEARS AGO. the gun dog will never be absent from the beagle breed. I have never seen the need to bash any certain style that a person chooses to enjoy.

haha all 3 of you are completely ridiculous but at least you're making me laugh you're all typing these long winded posts that say absolutely nothing and are completely worthless to read, and I don't believe that any of you 3 have anything more figured out than any other guy reading this forum. Seems to me like you if you 3 could agree with each other you could prbly solve all the worlds problems right here on this board and create the perfect hunting beagle with you're master observations ever all knowing knowledge and professional breeding practices. The purpose between a half brother/ half sister cross is to lock in traits desired from the shared parent bottom line. I think that pretty much sums it up don't you ? No matter what is that your'e trying to lock in ? I'm sure there is a more knowledgeable,scientific and educational 4 paragraph post that each of you 3 can contribute to my post I'd love to read that as well...haha please humor me once more.

It is easy to see you have no knowledge of the Traditional Brace Era. And no, you are mistaken. There were not always Registered “gun dogs” that you could find at the drop of a hat. At one time, it was a handful of breeders in the US and breeders from Canada that kept registered gun dogs alive. It was to the point that in the world of “gun hunters”, you were embarrassed to admit that you had a “registered” dog. Because it was known that if it was “registered” it most likely stood still and blew a hole in the ground and accomplished nothing with zero hunt. It took many many years for that reputation to get turned around, and many “gun hunters” still have this opinion concerning hunt.

Just ask someone who is old enough to shave and they will fill you in.

Traditional Brace Beagling is not a style, it was a mistake. I am sure the first guy that had the idea to put fire to tobacco and liked it, didn’t realize that he was introducing the world to a cancer. Maybe the Brace Beaglers didn’t realize the movement that they started would later affect or infect the “hunting beagle” as a whole as it did. But it still did!

I don’t believe anybody claimed to “know it all”, but we do disagree on some matters.

I see from your website you trial in the ARHA & UKC. Don’t like the AKC? Afraid to run with the “Big Dogs”? Do I still have you “laughing”?

Now, do some homework, take your vitamins and brush your teeth. It is now after 11:00 and past your bed time.

[ohlinger]

hahahaha i just got back in from running my dogs for the 2nd time today LOL!! you guys are killing I would love to run a.k.c and am actualy seeking out getting to a judges seminar to begin my licensing process, but they don't have very many hunts i can find a ukc or arha hunt any weekend i choose, and I enjoy going to trials so why wait and have to drive so far just to have fun..You must be a big time feller in the a.k.c world, no worries if you'd like to see what i have or are interested in buying a nice dog one day be sure to look me up I like to think i've got a couple that do a nice job even though i don't write 4 paragraph posts on here about how much i know about how to breed to the perfect beagle, and no ur facts are incorrect on bracing I dont have to have to be old to open a history book. Beagler M.O LOL you are the man obviously!! i will never doubt you again you have proven me wrong, I only wish to to remember as much as you have forgotten one day . However Safeguard is crap bottomline. I will continue to use somthing for dogs that actualy works!! but hey thats another topic, and it's a dead horse b/c it does not matter to me what you do with you're dogs If i was you i'd just shoot them all and use that brain of urs for the betterment of man kind. haha I love it guys so glad we all share the same sport, and can argue over things soo stupid well i've gotta get up early to run dogs again i only got 7 hours of running in today...we are averaging about 25 hours a week right now. I think that is about the best way to learn actualy getting out and running the guts out of them, and traveling to see others dogs. Appearantly haveing 4 degrees in bullshit, and running a.k.c is the only way. or to live up north in sub zero conditions on a frozen tundra with no rabbits to run anyhow LOL. All in fun fellers have a great night.

f.y.i if u wanna have a flop out fellers after 8 years in the army and two tours to the middle east,and then being party of an army training team as a weapons instructor and i.e.d awareness, that trained over 7,000 national guardsman and reservist for deployment to iraq and afghanistan,my qualifications were combat action badge (rip off from infantry action badge I was not infantry), air assault, 5 army achievemnt medals 3 with oak leaf cluster, and i can go on but ok I'll stop being a cheese d**k b/c my army buddies would make fun of me for saying all this stuff lol. I just finished up my degree as a matter of fact but it's just an associates in applied science (electrical engineering program), currently going for my mechanical engineering associates, but being away from home and shot at and hit with i.e.d's I kind of realised I just wanted to come home and live a simple life and run some hounds, I reckin thats exactly what i'm doing! In response to ur insinuation of my age haha i'm 27 i can't help it if i'm still a good looking guy but thanks for the compliment! i hope i can look young at 40 as well!!! Have a great day DR. and the brilliant scientist norwester LOL hope you can take a joke better than these two yayy who's!

[Dr. Chris]

hahahaha i just got back in from running my dogs for the 2nd time today LOL!! you guys are killing I would love to run a.k.c and am actualy seeking out getting to a judges seminar to begin my licensing process, but they don't have very many hunts i can find a ukc or arha hunt any weekend i choose, and I enjoy going to trials so why wait and have to drive so far just to have fun..You must be a big time feller in the a.k.c world, no worries if you'd like to see what i have or are interested in buying a nice dog one day be sure to look me up I like to think i've got a couple that do a nice job even though i don't write 4 paragraph posts on here about how much i know about how to breed to the perfect beagle, and no ur facts are incorrect on bracing I dont have to have to be old to open a history book. Beagler M.O LOL you are the man obviously!! i will never doubt you again you have proven me wrong, I only wish to to remember as much as you have forgotten one day . However Safeguard is crap bottomline. I will continue to use somthing for dogs that actualy works!! but hey thats another topic, and it's a dead horse b/c it does not matter to me what you do with you're dogs If i was you i'd just shoot them all and use that brain of urs for the betterment of man kind. haha I love it guys so glad we all share the same sport, and can argue over things soo stupid well i've gotta get up early to run dogs again i only got 7 hours of running in today...we are averaging about 25 hours a week right now. I think that is about the best way to learn actualy getting out and running the guts out of them, and traveling to see others dogs. Appearantly haveing 4 degrees in bullshit, and running a.k.c is the only way. or to live up north in sub zero conditions on a frozen tundra with no rabbits to run anyhow LOL. All in fun fellers have a great night.

f.y.i if u wanna have a flop out fellers after 8 years in the army and two tours to the middle east,and then being party of an army training team as a weapons instructor and i.e.d awareness, that trained over 7,000 national guardsman and reservist for deployment to iraq and afghanistan,my qualifications were combat action badge (rip off from infantry action badge I was not infantry), air assault, 5 army achievemnt medals 3 with oak leaf cluster, and i can go on but ok I'll stop being a cheese d**k b/c my army buddies would make fun of me for saying all this stuff lol. I just finished up my degree as a matter of fact but it's just an associates in applied science (electrical engineering program), currently going for my mechanical engineering associates, but being away from home and shot at and hit with i.e.d's I kind of realised I just wanted to come home and live a simple life and run some hounds, I reckin thats exactly what i'm doing! In response to ur insinuation of my age haha i'm 27 i can't help it if i'm still a good looking guy but thanks for the compliment! i hope i can look young at 40 as well!!! Have a great day DR. and the brilliant scientist norwester LOL hope you can take a joke better than these two yayy who's!

Well G.I. Joe, now whose writing the “long winded posts” and making people laugh…lol… as far as meeting up and having a “flop out”, these days that’s not my style. Lol… but considering in April I will be turning 73 and just entering my prime… I’ll give it some thought and get back to you.

I will wager a hunting trip, you get your best 4 pack of dogs and your best hunting buddy and I’ll get mine and meet at the same hunting grounds and split up and see who comes out of the woods with the most rabbits. I’ll even travel to Ohio to do it, since I have a buddy there. Surely a man that puts in 25 hours a week can’t turn that down.

Loser has to pose “that day” in a pretty pink dress for a picture to be posted on this sight. Who knows, maybe Bev will place at the top for a week for kicks and giggles. Just let me know who your buddy is, I’ll need to know your sizes.

And if all those things are true that you did for our Country? I respect and thank you for that. But at 73 I believe I could handle you.

All is in sarcasm and fun, but the hunting wager is real. You take care Jr.

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

well your comments prove that even if your technically smart it sure don't men you have an ounce of brains...you really think saying a product is crap after being peer reviewed proven safe and effective in field and in the lab on a wide range of species makes you look intellegent on here????

I was never in the military. Thanks for serving but your right your buddies should rightly think your a puss for making such comments in an online forum...I doubt you would find many marines that would say that....just sayin
i assure i won't throw an i.e.d. at you

your dogs may even be better than mine becuse i have an active life outside of being but it doesn't change the fact your a moron who likes to start sH** ONLINE. jUus because i try to back up what i sy with facts you call me the idiot??

I am gonna pick up a seneca kennel in ohio this summer... we should run our dogs, well i only have one right now so dog to see who is better.....

[ohlinger]

hehehehehe you're right I did enjoy starting $h!t LOL. Dr. Chris the thought of you coming all the way to ohio just for me is flattering I would gladly run dogs with you if you came out here LOL we can do the wager if you insist but Lmao if all you're after is a picture with me in a pink dress again i'm flattered but u don't have to drive to ohio for it, however if u bring some dogs we will have a good time and u can have ur pic of me in a pink dress for the board win or lose. Beagler 50000, lol I jist figured if you want to throw ur life story that i might as well do the same since i basicaly gathered that u were having a flop to see how great of a person u were compared to me. Dr. chris i'm starting to wonder first you interested in my age and now ur talking about seeing me in a pink dress oh well whatever i can do to help out an old man LOL!!! j/k buddy! Hey you guys have a good one and keep it relatlively simple bc this is the simplest sport in the world you train em' and you enjoy em!! hell might even get a nice rabbit dinner in the deal while the dogs go home and eat kibble and there own turds and possibly even sleep outside!!!

[Bunnyblaster]

Sorry but all beagles should be that way IMO

Joeyman, I was with you right up to here and I have to tell you why.........or ask you why maybe.

What good would a beagle like that do for guys from areas like where Norwester is from? They don't need that in a dog and it's also probably part of the reason they don't understand our need for it either. I think your little female knows where to go looking for a rabbit.........around our part of the country. And I'm not saying she wouldn't fare well way up north but if you think about it she's probably not going to find many hare sitting in a bed up there either. A dog exactly like your strike dog would probably fare better in those areas I would think. I haven't ran that many hare but I do get the chance to run both hare and cottontail and the hare(strike) dogs don't always do well in cottontail country when the bunnies are sitting tight so there aren't many tracks to cut. I will say that in reverse the cottontail dogs still seem to fare better once they kinda figure the whole thing out. JMO

[Lone Pine Beagles]

Joey Man and Norwester,

You guys are both right.

The hare bred hounds usually cover more ground, checking for hot lines, etc.

The cottontail bred hounds hit the thickest cover first and take more time covering smaller areas. They look for THE rabbit.

When you look at the areas these dogs have been required to hunt you see why they have been bred this way. (selection)

Also, Norwester is looking for a HUGE nose. They're out there. But hard to find.
Some people think we're crazy.

LPB

[mooredog]

if we can get Pine Mt Beagles to jump in on this post , we could find out how the republicans are to blame for this mess too ! maybe they are inbred also ! LMAO !

[barnold1]

You already got the doctor; he can tell you how numbnuts is going to fix it!