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Shady Grove Beagles wrote:Bottom line is that the trainer must be smarter than the dog.It serves no purpose to shock a dog if he has no idea what you are shocking him for.
The dog must first know what the word"NO" means and I also demand that he knows what "come or here or down" means.If he knows those commands and has been taught that there are consequences if he doesn't obey, your battle of trash running will become much easier.
Many times I have seen guys shocking the fire out of a dog because he won't handle but the truth is they've never put in any time making him handle.I knew one fellow that had a pack of pretty good rabbit dogs--------except they weren't broke off trash.He went out and bought a Tri-Tronics 6 dog unit and strapped one on every dog in his pack.He now could stop his deer races but he never got his dogs "broke" and had an on-going stuggle with this problem.
I agree that the best way of having a broke dog is to keep him from getting started in the first place.Keep him on rabbits,rabbits and more rabbits.As GW mentioned,usually once or twice and maybe three occasions of shocking a young dog off trash and if they've got the kind of brains i want to see in my dogs they should have got the message.I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time on a confirmed trash runner.I just can't stand it.
I know of a kennel here in Tn. that for many years have had some pretty outstanding dogs.If they have a dog that runs a deer even one time he's gone.They get rid of him.I think that's over reacting.
Good post. I agree 100%.
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If you want a dog to hit hard and pound a rabbit put him in deers. If he can't run on a deers back door for 4 to 5 hours he a it worth having. I've seen so many dogs not lift their head on track, they want to be nose to the ground. Deer will fix that. You may think I crazy but when you run with my dogs you will see why. Oh forgot I don't have to run collars on my trail dogs as they are broke, except for the one I'm bring to the next trail. Hope your not in the cast as he may leave out on a big bunny. LOL . A dog that has the guts to run a deer for hours on end is the dog I want. If you want rid of them culls that need to be shot give me call I can break them turn them into great dogs and make a little money in process. So DHoundman the next one you want to kill just call me.
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Shooting a dog because you fail as a trainer is zero excuse. Not all break after the first time. I've seen dogs break off one hard shock as a pup, and another be five years old before its finally broken. I'd rather find it a forever home with a loving family.
It's kinda like the old saying...
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me.
BUT! When I'm running young dogs, I always talking to them. (Get in here, look for it,hunt him, and basic commands such as HERE, Down). I try to get them used to vocal commands. I never run dogs with fear of them running deer. Matter of fact I'm always looking for one to run one. If they happen to, that's when they get introduced to electricity, if it happens a second time they find a new home.
I believe if you keep them in rabbits at a young age they will be less likely to run off game later in life. A hound as a natural instinct to persue game. Just keepe'm in many rabbits as you can and you'll be better off.
Most dogs can be broke from running deer very easily with the e-collar. I have only had 2 dogs that I could never break where I could trust them. You could stop the race with the e-collar and the lesson was good for that day. Tomorrow was a new day and if they crossed a hot deer track, they would do it again. I could always stop it quickly but got tired of fooling with them. I know 2 different clubs with huge leases that run deer with beagles. I called up a couple of their members, gave them the 2 deer runners and they love them. If I ever end up with another one like that, I know where to send them. For what it's worth, both of the deer runners that I couldnt totally break could run the fire out of a rabbit, hunted hard all day long and were as good as any dogs I have in the kennel at this time. I just found myself getting frustrated with them and decided to send them somewhere where they could do what they enjoyed doing. Unfortunately, I have never had a dog that was naturally deer proof. All of my pups I have ever owned that made good dogs, if you walked them across a deer track for the 1'st time, they took the bait. However, plenty of them only required 1 lesson with the e-collar and have never done it again. Only ones I had that didnt take the bait couldnt or wouldnt run a rabbit worth a plug nickel either. I would rather train a dog that will run anything than one with no heart that wont run nothing.
I only had one that was just deer crazy, that ecollar couldn't fix, tried to get an job on the indian reservations were they can run deer with dogs ,but they mostly use big hounds
Many times giving a deer runner to a deer club with the agreement if it quits running deer you get it back works. I've seen a lot quit running them and the clubs complaining because it running rabbits all around them is messing up their deer standing.
Just curious some said some lines are more apt to run deer ,what lines do you all think are more likely to run off game and which lines are more likely to not ? not trying to start a war here just looking for info from you guys that have been doing this awhile.
Thanks Mark
