LEADERSHIP. Is Not A Republican Tradition

[bluemouse]

Pinemooch the master minded troll please explain how a jobs bill will create jobs.

[Rabbithoundjb]

PMB that last post explains exactly why you have no credibility. You just don't let facts get in the way of you just flat out lieing just like you god Obama.

[Doc Olly]

Hello!
I'm new here but I have to admit I do enjoy a good debate.........
With that being said I have to say that I somewhat agree with both of you.
In my humble opinion the GOP has lost it's direction! Remember the GOP was the party of fiscal conservatives, limited government and christian values. The republicans freed the slaves, the republicans balanced the economy. MLK Jr was a rebublican. However, that is not the case today. Today the faces of the republican party are that of Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter and Donald Trump.

Basically, and again in my humble opinion the Democrats have "out-politicked" the Repubs, hands down and now the GOP is playing scramble to find it's way. Ever since LBJ signed the voting Rights Act of 1964 he convinced whites and blacks to vote as Dems. Which amazes me because before that the Dems were the most racist and violent people. The Klan was founded by Dems. But my how things have changed. Now I;m not saying that current day Repubs are racists but they sure don't know how to connect with younger people and minorities, and that is the reason why Hillary will be our next president.

[Newt]

Welcome Olly. What you say about Republicans is accurate. They have deserted their base.

[Rabbithoundjb]

Interesting post Olly. Although I agree that the majority of republicans have lost sight of their base. I completely disagree that the faces of the party are people who don't even hold an elected office. That would be like saying the faces of the democrat party are Chris Matthews, Keith Oberman, Micheal Moore and so on. I also don't think the democrats have out politicked the republicans. Quite simply I think the democrats have used tax payer funds to build a voting block of a fairly large percentage of people who don't want to be responsible for themselves.

[Doc Olly]

I see that this is a concern for a lot of Repubs here and other hunting forums that I frequent. Exactly what is it about " government assistance that the GOP can't stand?

Won't there always be assistance programs? And won't it cost taxpayers more in the long run for things like health care, homelessness and other things?

[Pine Mt Beagles]

Some interesting post ,,Olly

Republicans have deserted their base,,and they really show no signs of ever trying to reconnect,,

When you attack Women.

Middle and Low income Workers.

Minorities.

Social Security,and Medicare,,,

Try to make it illegal to Vote ,,,

And you have a record of tripling the National Debt,,as Well as Growing the Government,,and ,,stalling the Economy,to further alienate Voters,,for no Reason any one could Possibly defend ,,,with all this going on I don't think the Tea Party Republicans will Connect with A Majority of Americans very soon.

[Rabbithoundjb]

The answer Olly is NO if people where more responsible for themselves it shoudn't cost the tax payers more. I don't have a problem with assistance, I have a problem with assistance becoming permanent upkeep instead of assistance. I have a problem with prograns that promote dependency. I have a problem with programs that offer more help if you don't marry than if you moved toward building a family culture. I have a problem with programs that reward people for not bettering themselves. I have a problem with the entitlement mentality. We have an immigration problem mainly because we pay people who could do those jobs to sit on their azz rather than work. It's really simple common sense if you provide most people what they need to survive then what incentive do they have to engage themselves. Which by the way is a big burden on us as individuals who are trying to develope upward mobility for ourselves and a burden on the countries economy as well. You see Olly I don't care if your white, black or pink polka dotted it's my belief that you bear the resposibility for yourself. I am well aware people hit bumps and need help and have no problem with giving assistance but it should not be a way of life.

[Doc Olly]

The answer Olly is NO if people where more responsible for themselves it shoudn't cost the tax payers more. I don't have a problem with assistance, I have a problem with assistance becoming permanent upkeep instead of assistance. I have a problem with prograns that promote dependency. I have a problem with programs that offer more help if you don't marry than if you moved toward building a family culture. I have a problem with programs that reward people for not bettering themselves. I have a problem with the entitlement mentality. We have an immigration problem mainly because we pay people who could do those jobs to sit on their azz rather than work. It's really simple common sense if you provide most people what they need to survive then what incentive do they have to engage themselves. Which by the way is a big burden on us as individuals who are trying to develope upward mobility for ourselves and a burden on the countries economy as well. You see Olly I don't care if your white, black or pink polka dotted it's my belief that you bear the resposibility for yourself. I am well aware people hit bumps and need help and have no problem with giving assistance but it should not be a way of life.

Ok, so let's dig a little deeper.
Take farm subsidies for example. The United States currently pays around $20 billion per year to farmers in direct subsidies as "farm income stabilization". Now this is according to Wikipedia(I know I should have a better resource but hell, I just got off work ) For some odd reason either the liberal news media or whatever this does not get highlighted. The only portion of "gubment assistance" that gets threatened to get cut is "welfare". Farm stabilization has been going on since I believe the 1930's. Also around that time there fewer and smaller farms. Now there are more and larger farms.

Is this fair? Do these recipients fit into the description or no?

[bluemouse]

Here olly is an example than everybody has seen. Goverment has built housing projects for the poor to give them a hand up, affordable, new,and all the while in a couple of years these goverment doings turn into nothing more than public toilets and nightmares of crime. repeat and get the same results. How much of the assisitance given goes to drugs, cases of beer and how much is sold so they can buy other things they want. There is plenty of data to support this is happening but no resonsiblilty on the goverment to stop the waste and take care of the ones who truely need help. And thats what everybody should expect the goverment to do be responsible how tax payor money is spend not just hand out money for a vote next year claiming they care, cause the truth is Washington only cares for their own pockets and power. As for the farms I think you answered your on question kill the small farms so the large corporation can take over they give more at election time for favors.

[Newt]

Ok, so let's dig a little deeper.
Take farm subsidies for example. The United States currently pays around $20 billion per year to farmers in direct subsidies as "farm income stabilization". Now this is according to Wikipedia(I know I should have a better resource but hell, I just got off work ) For some odd reason either the liberal news media or whatever this does not get highlighted. The only portion of "gubment assistance" that gets threatened to get cut is "welfare". Farm stabilization has been going on since I believe the 1930's. Also around that time there fewer and smaller farms. Now there are more and larger farms.

Is this fair? Do these recipients fit into the description or no?

Why dig deeper, its apparent for anyone who cares to look. How much has dependency, corporate and poverty welfare increased since Obama became President. Its not just flagrant bailouts, but what would you call Solyendra, Cevy Volt, Fisker, Obamacare Data Base. All this is going to FOO (Friends of Obama) and the Progressives. Holders Justice Department brought suit against one of the big Wall Street Bank, JP Morgan. They reached a settlement, then Holder demanded that millions of dollars be allocated to organizations like ACORN. Why didn't the money go to the folks who had been wronged?
They mortgage our and our kids future, borrowing money to give their friends and supporters.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

Olly
To answer your question that got ignored ,,I think yes,,giving Farmers Subsidies is no different,,much like Big Oil,,making Record Profits ,,But,,Still get their Subsides,,Like these Big Drug Companies get Billions for research and development,,develope some wonder Drug then Price it so High only the Very Elite Can Afford it ,,Corporations actually get Money as an Incentive to create Jobs Over Seas.

Just A few interesting points.

And ,, Some Farmers actually get paid to let their land set idle ,,not grow anything,I ,think that is even more of a problem.and Many of the Big Farms ship their Produce to China for Processing and Canning.

[bluegrass]

Olly
To answer your question that got ignored ,,I think yes,,giving Farmers Subsidies is no different,,much like Big Oil,,making Record Profits ,,But,,Still get their Subsides,,Like these Big Drug Companies get Billions for research and development,,develope some wonder Drug then Price it so High only the Very Elite Can Afford it ,,Corporations actually get Money as an Incentive to create Jobs Over Seas.

Just A few interesting points.

And ,, Some Farmers actually get paid to let their land set idle ,,not grow anything,I ,think that is even more of a problem.and Many of the Big Farms ship their Produce to China for Processing and Canning.

Simply amazing.

Your ENTIRE post is nothing more than a total LIE.

Like these Big Drug Companies get Billions for research and development,,develope some wonder Drug then Price it so High only the Very Elite Can Afford it

Bad grammar and misspelled words aside, please PROVE which drug companies develop wonder drugs and then get to set their own prices? Government regulation has more to do with drug costs than research and development. That's why you can order drugs cheaper from Canada...LESS REGULATION in a nearly socialist society than here in the USA.

You make claims all the time with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO BACK THEM UP...now you have another kindred spirit here to help you out...why don't you try dazzling us all with PROOF instead of OPINION ARTICLES?

You haven't done it since you have been posting here.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

Mr Bluegrass

It's plain you still cannot read,And Your Arrogance is still growing,That Brain Washing Really worked on you didn't it..

That Denial Must be,A Natural Republican Trait ,you have to be Born With.

Because no amount of facts ,no matter how well defined will make a dent in the Republican thought process ,,simply lie and deny.

[bluegrass]

Sooooo.....


Rufus, you are admitting you CANNOT post anything to back up your claims....again???