Crying Like a Baby

[midnight runner]

I don't think it's crying when informing people about a breeder selling u a dog that they lied about. I would personally like to know when there is a person hyping up their dogs to be great, when they aren't. So hopefully their name gets out there and people won't get dupped by them anymore.

[fasttrackpa]

I don't think it's crying when informing people about a breeder selling u a dog that they lied about. I would personally like to know when there is a person hyping up their dogs to be great, when they aren't. So hopefully their name gets out there and people won't get dupped by them anymore.

I agree, I want to know if some one had a bad experience with someone in any kind of deal, whether it is dogs or goods. I do not put much stock in anyone that brags their dogs up too much, whether they are good hounds or not.

[bucks better beagles]

Dog, AHead: You have it the way I remember. Taking someone to court every time things don't go your way. I would be afraid to talk to someone or else I would have to record every conversation. I guess the recording is a good idea. I know a guy that I can talk to and have a clear understanding in my head of our conversation and 20 minutes later, he will have a totally different one.

This poll is surprising to me. I put #6 choice in there because I am from the old school and couldn't imagine people would throw each other under the bus so readily and harshly. It may be OK to post on here if you get a bum deal from someone but, to trash and belittle someone over it is unnecessary. Some of you seem to relish it.

The anger is unbelievable to me but I am a meek and mild person by nature. Turning the other cheek is out of vogue I guess. At least half of the beatitudes would be violated by this kind of behavior.

OK, I said that. Go ahead and take your shots.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Folks a guarantee is a guarantee and I don't care if it's on a lifetime warranty on a gun a time limit warranty on your vehicle or on a dog. I've been a witness in a small claims court case when a two friends of mine got in a dispute over a washer/dryer and a waterbed that one was supposed to be keeping for the other. Amounted to about $500.00 worth of stuff and the one who owned the stuff got it back PLUS other charges that came to the maximum amount they could sue for in small claims court. The one holding the stuff would have been money ahead to purchase those items and as it turned out he would have been able to buy them much cheaper than what he paid as he ended up only renting them for a pretty hefty sum of money. Stuff like this goes on because it's allowed to. Cryin is when all you do is talk, I like "live Action" and settle it in people's court. yeyeyeyeye, LIVE ACTION!

Turtleman For Prez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I am glad to see that there is people left in the world that still stand for something, looks like the poll reflects it

[warddog]

Why is it that when folks pay good money for anything and it breaks or isn't in the condition the package stated or as it was represented they take it right back for a replacement of a refund BUT yet allow dog traders to get by with flat out lies? Ever go to Wal-mart, Sears, Lowes etc and look at the line with folks returning goods. How about if you paid a repairman to repair your air conditioner when it was over 100 degrees the first day and it didn't cool the next day? Happens ALL the time, my wife used to be a manager in customer service and guess what she had an entire department of employees doing just that, handling complaints from folks that didn't get what they expected to get. These weren't part time jobs but rather 40 hour per week full time jobs. Please don't give me that old school crap because if so we wouldn;t be having this conversation in the first place as the old school I came from was when a persons word was their bond. I have dealt with dog traders back then and guess what, for the most part if the dog you got wasn't as they told you it was replaced or your money refunded. Best dog we ever had was from such a trader. I'm old school, where times were tougher than they are these days and a dog was for putting meat on the table not for fun. I want what I'm told I'm buying nothing more and nothing less and if I'm flat out lied to then there's gonna be some, live action. That's how I roll and I can't stand a thief regardless of what kind of sheeps clothing it hides in. People get by with this crap because we allow them to and plastering what one guarantees on a public forum is putting a contract right there for God and all to read. Oh yea, I'm old school enough that we learned the golden rule and right from wrong. Now, excuse me while I go read up on guarantees made expressly or implied as they both carry the word of law so as to be prepared to leave a culprit holding an empty sack when I get my money, plus additional expenses for my time and effort of having to perform some live action. yeyeyeyeyeye

[bucks better beagles]

Wardog: Dogs aren't toasters. How many dogs have you purchased in your life? I would be scared to death to sell you one. What responsibility does the dog buyer have in a dog transaction? Are you saying that a man can give you a trial, you use up the trial, and then, somewhere down the line you decide you don't like the dog for whatever reason (maybe it aged), you should be allowed to take it back for a refund? Then, if the seller doesn't think that is fair, you take him to court? I agree the "old school" you refer to meant that a man's word stood for something but, it is the litigious society that has changed all that. Sue, sue for every little grievance.

I think the buyer has more responsibility in a dog trade than the seller. If the man gives you a trial and you try the dog and buy it, it is yours. Done deal. If you exercise your trial and bring the dog back before it expires, than the seller has the responsibility to refund your money and only then.

[dog]

What ever happened to getting up off your butt , making at least a little effort in seeing first hand what you are spending your hard earned money on ? thats the way it was done when i was growing up , when it came to hunting dogs you didnt take someones word for it , you went and watched the dog and if you liked it , you bought it , if you didnt , you thanked that person for their time and moved on ! people on average are lazy ! technology has made them that way ! My work does UPS drop off , we have an older lady that does all her shopping for clothing on the Home Shopping Network , she is in my store 3 times a week sending things back , at the expence of HSN , why because " she didnt like them after she got them or they didnt fit right " if she would get up off her lazy butt and go to a store and buy her clothing she would know what shes getting before she buys it ! people shouldnt have to pay for others laziness ! Im all for exposing crooks and liars except i go about it a little different , i let them do their talking , then i get up off my butt and call them on it ! if the dog tells me the same thing that its owner did then fine , if it dont you can bet i let anyone intrested know it ! in my book their still a crook and a liar even if they didnt get my money. the point is they tried !

[bucks better beagles]

Dog: You said it better than I did and I agree. The buyer has the responsibility to check a dog out before he buys it. I always "consider the source" in making decisions but once I buy, no more crying. As for exposing people, well there always seems to be two sides to each story. Take them to court and let the judge decide who is telling the truth? Maybe. For me, these are dogs not cars. I just move on and chock it up to experience.

[da ridgetop]

What ever happened to getting up off your butt , making at least a little effort in seeing first hand what you are spending your hard earned money on ? thats the way it was done when i was growing up , when it came to hunting dogs you didnt take someones word for it , you went and watched the dog and if you liked it , you bought it , if you didnt , you thanked that person for their time and moved on ! people on average are lazy ! technology has made them that way ! My work does UPS drop off , we have an older lady that does all her shopping for clothing on the Home Shopping Network , she is in my store 3 times a week sending things back , at the expence of HSN , why because " she didnt like them after she got them or they didnt fit right " if she would get up off her lazy butt and go to a store and buy her clothing she would know what shes getting before she buys it ! people shouldnt have to pay for others laziness ! Im all for exposing crooks and liars except i go about it a little different , i let them do their talking , then i get up off my butt and call them on it ! if the dog tells me the same thing that its owner did then fine , if it dont you can bet i let anyone intrested know it ! in my book their still a crook and a liar even if they didnt get my money. the point is they tried !

nice post
Donald

[hard on a check]

the old school I came from was when a persons word was their bond

[warddog]

Wardog: Dogs aren't toasters. How many dogs have you purchased in your life? I would be scared to death to sell you one. What responsibility does the dog buyer have in a dog transaction? Are you saying that a man can give you a trial, you use up the trial, and then, somewhere down the line you decide you don't like the dog for whatever reason (maybe it aged), you should be allowed to take it back for a refund? Then, if the seller doesn't think that is fair, you take him to court? I agree the "old school" you refer to meant that a man's word stood for something but, it is the litigious society that has changed all that. Sue, sue for every little grievance.

I think the buyer has more responsibility in a dog trade than the seller. If the man gives you a trial and you try the dog and buy it, it is yours. Done deal. If you exercise your trial and bring the dog back before it expires, than the seller has the responsibility to refund your money and only then.

Actually BBB, you and some others have this totally in reverse. The one that sells an item is the one with the responsibility to ASSURE that what they have stated and or written in their description of what they sell is correct 100%. Now, you want to go into more explicit detail and bring in trial periods and other stuff that was NEVER a part of this conversation from the beginning. Beings you want to bring up a trial period we can discuss that as well. If what you say or write (explicit) and even imply (implicit) about something you sell isn't true in a trial period or any other specifc period of time then the deal, which by the way is a legal binding contract is null and void if you are notified withion that time frame. Any agreement or contract either verbal or written has the full force and effect of the word of law. Now, here's a good one for you to answer, what if you advertise a dog to NOT run deer, period, no trial, no time limit, no nothing but your statement that this dog does NOT run deer.

I've been regulating BIG corporations for 30 years and I've seen the word of law bite them on the back side many times. There are laws as they apply to guarantees, warranties and then there are 'truth in advertising" as well as truth in labeling laws that all come into play when someone gets burned. What you write in this post isn't even close to anything I have stated as my point was and is that a buyer should expect to receive what they were told they were to receive for their money. No where was a dogs age or a person not liking the dog years later involved as the conversation lies to what was represented that the buyer paid for and did NOT receive. This goes to expectation and in law that would mean what a reasonable person would expect from what they were told or from what was written. I can tell you from the ad I saw I would have had some mighty expectations of that dog and I would testify to that in court.

Buck, you needn't be scared to sell me anything but I'll guarantee you if you do it better be as represented or I will make the trip to Michigan to see you in "The People's Court" for some live action! To answer your question I have bought many, many dogs and some I've bought right off these boards and as of yet I've NOT been burned because I've not been lied to. I've also sold many items both on the boards and on ebay and I have a 100% rating. I guess that may be some of that Old school stuff of the golden rule and a man's word.

[dog]

Thinking he might be married to Judge Judy !

[gwyoung]

If you are able to sell me a dog , Then it's mine. Good luck selling me something that does not run like I want, It probably ain't going to happen, If It should that is my fault , some of you seem to have been around for such a short period of time that some how you have not come to realize that there are some folks out there that will stretch things a little bit when selling a dog, a car, a motorcycle, a tractor, a T.V. Etc; No fooling, I am serious, this happens, unbelieveable huh, never would have guessed it would you. As you gain some experience you will come to realize this. In the meantime and If you are a slow learner, suck it up, it is YOUR fault that you got a bum dog, that's it! I have met some people who have been on this planet for decades and are still beginners, W.C. Fields called them suckers, I call them beginners just because I am so nice!

[augerhead]

GW, Might be the first time I have agreed with you!

[bucks better beagles]

GW: Sit down. I agree with A-head and you 100%. No courts, no liabilities, no remedies. It's mine for better or for worse.

Warddog: Very well written. I just feel that when it comes to buying a dog it is something that the buyer has the responsibility to please himself. If I like a dog's looks, it doesn't even matter to me what the seller says as long as he is reputable and gives me a trial. I will make the decision as to whether the dog suits me or not.