Brucellosis

TC · Post by TC » Sun May 23, 2004 8:58 am

Kinda What I thought! Sounded like way to much of a coincidence!
http://forums.huntingboards.com/viewtop ... ght=#35967

YGD ( BUNNY BUSTER) · Post by **YGD ( BUNNY BUSTER)** » Sun May 23, 2004 9:33 am

I AGREE WITH ALABAMA JOHN, THERE IS A CURE, NOW ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS DISCOVER IT. MY GRANDMA USED TO SAY;
IT'S SO OFTEN FALSEY STATED ,
GOOD THINGS COME TO THOSE WHO WAIT
THE LORD WILL SUPPLY THE FISHING
BUT SOMEONE MUST DIG THE BAIT
I DON'T KNOW THE BIBLE AS WELL AS Y'ALL BUT GRANNY HAD COMMON SENSE.
WE NEED TO PUT THEM DOWN & KEEP SEARCHING
BUNNYBUSTER

DG TX · Post by **DG TX** » Sun May 23, 2004 3:47 pm

I was nearly frozen when you found me in the woods. You took me home, warmed me, fed & watered me and made me well. Then you look so surprized when I bit you!

All the time you knew I was a SNAKE

BRUCELLOSIS...
OH

Did y'all think I was talkin' about someone else

DRamey · Post by **DRamey** » Mon May 24, 2004 7:34 am

Mr. Whitener is a humanist. The humanist always speaks in generalities. He has no absolute truth other than what is convenient. Nothing is absolutely wrong or right. This is why one can compare the life of a dog with that of a human being, and speak of trialing and breeding hounds that have been cured of a disease that from all indications is incurable. The humanist is also characteristically selfish and will employ means other than what many others would even consider doing as decent or correct with others in mind. I have enjoyed this discussion and have a couple of things that may add to it, but only a little. When we discuss destroying our beloved hounds, we don't do it callously nor do we take it lightly. I have had no experience with brucellosis, as I only breed a hound every 2-3 years or so, and it is usually my hounds together. Just as you all have, I have lost good hounds. It hurts for a long time. BUT I have never compared them to my 6-year old fishing buddy or that little 2-year old bundle of energy that calls me "daybid" instead of daddy because she knows it makes me crazy!!! There is no comparison. I agree with 'Bama that we haven't found cures for these things, but the bottom line is that we and everything we ever owned from the Grand World Champion to the bunny in the cage that the pups chase, to the goldfish in the bowl DIE. The time we have here, and what we do with it, is all that matters. IF we spend it stirring up things all the time, we will leave very little behind when we go the way of the earth. God has provided His cure for the worst plague, sin. Keep 'em running, but not at the other guy's expense. THat's what I enjoy most about my brother beaglers, 99.9% are too considerate to endanger or even infringe on others. Good bunch of guys and gals y'all are. That's you all to the few that may never have bothered to learn Deep South. Try it, you may like the way it sounds!!!!!!

DarrinG · Post by **DarrinG** » Mon May 24, 2004 4:03 pm

Words of wisdom Ramey!!!!!!!

Just today I had a new hound tested for brucellosis. The test was negative as I was pretty sure it would (judging from the environment she came from) but I will test every new hound before it is introduced to my pack and stay here regardless.

Laurel Mtn Kennels · Post by **Laurel Mtn Kennels** » Tue May 25, 2004 6:24 am

[quote="Anonymous"]Gus,
The consern for the breeder is this............. He found the Brucellocis, is doing the required testing and re-testing of all of his other hounds and is destroying to positive hounds. What more can the man do?

My intentions are not to step on anyones toes, but shouldn't this guy let us know who he is. What type of trials he runs. Where he usually trials. What big hunts he has been to. There could be a number of beagles that have been cast with his dogs. These people are unaware that they may have this disease. They may also be spreading it.

I believe the responsable thing to do would be let everyone know what is going on in case there are others that need to be getting test done on their hounds. If I ran with this guy at the World Hunt or the Ohio State I would like to know. Since the World Hunt I've been to several clubs. Could someone at least tell us what type of trials he runs & how long he believes he had it.l

Alabama John · Post by **Alabama John** » Wed May 26, 2004 12:12 pm

Rick, your dogs have not run with this dog. She was purchased to have pups, not trial. I don't think she has been trialed. This was a recently purchased young dog and the former owners have been contacted. She was put down. The other dogs in the kennel have all tested negative and are being monitored by the Vet.

Our dogs have never been tested, and they might all have it as far as I know. Most folks are like me, they don't test unless they want to breed one, then just test that one.

Is there anyone that tests regularly their whole kennel? Might be a good idea, especially for trial dogs.

I would think if you trial, the dogs have been in more contact than we know or would believe, by accident, not on purpose.

woodbrier kennels · Post by **woodbrier kennels** » Wed May 26, 2004 1:16 pm

Guy's listening to you guy's it sounds like if there was a for sure cure we would all do it because i know we don't really like putting our hounds down in the first place because if you have them in the kennel you must like something about them.And if there is a cure share it with everyone so we are have the same info to take care of the problem.I am just getting into the breeding side of beagling and have a stud dog and don't think it is to much for anyone to ask for the male to be tested and just for your on good piece of mind have it done you sure would not want to infect some ones female would you.

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talley-ho · Post by **talley-ho** » Wed May 26, 2004 11:27 pm

I have been "lurking" on this website for several months trying to get answers to my beagle questions. I am new to the sport. I have read all four pages about this brucellosis and still don't know what it is. Can someone tell me in simple terms what it is and what to look for in my hounds without me having to read one of these attachments? Sorry if this sounds lazy, but I don't get alot of spare time these days to surf the internet. thanks

TC · Post by TC » Thu May 27, 2004 7:53 am

Its a Desease that causes sterility in a dog and makes the bitches abort her pups!

Females: Abortion of litters, usually between 45-55 days after breeding, litters with some pups born dead or dying immediately after birth, and pups that die at the embryo stage and are reabsorbed -- in such cases it may appear that the bitch didn't take.

Males: Inflammation of the epididymis, prostate and/or testicles (often leading to testicular atrophy), infertility because of abnormal sperm and poor sperm motility, and reluctance to breed due to pain caused by inflammation of the sex organs. Males may also cause lesions by licking at the painful area.

Both sexes: Swollen lymph nodes. Some dogs may show non-specific signs of poor health, such as poor vigor. In rare cases the disease has caused damage to the kidneys and nervous system.

Perhaps the most dangerous aspect of the disease is it's insidiousness; the above symptoms are not always seen -- in many cases an infected dog may show no outward signs at all. Infected bitches will have normal heat cycles and breed normally, in fact in many cases a bitch infected with Brucellosis, after aborting a litter, may conceive and whelp a live litter subsequently. The danger in this is that such a bitch can infect any males she is bred to, and her puppies will most likely be carriers of the disease and go on to infect other dogs.

Canine Brucellosis is a very serious disease, not because dogs are very likely to contract the disease, but because of the consequences if a dog does become infected. The disease itself will not kill your dog, but your dog will be genetically ‘dead because he or she will be unbreedable -- even if the disease does not render the dog sterile. A dog that has tested positive for Brucellosis should not be bred, not even by artificial insemination. Bringing one infected dog into a breeding program could wipe out years of work establishing a family of dogs.

Information from http://www.wildsidekennels.com/articles ... losis.html

talley-ho · Post by **talley-ho** » Thu May 27, 2004 7:29 pm

TC, thanks for the info!

DRamey · Post by **DRamey** » Thu May 27, 2004 10:23 pm

TC, I join Tally-ho in thanking you for that info. I knew some about it, but you have helped greatly. Really, then, brucellosis is a canine venereal disease, isn't it?

TC · Post by TC » Fri May 28, 2004 12:18 am

Yer Welcome and Yup Pretty Much a Doggie VD. But as was said can be contracted thru bodily fluids ECT that seems to be the most common way that it is contracted is by licking urine. That is why I feel that it is so important for us as Beaglers and responsible Dog owners to let each other know when a dog may have contracted this. But remember this could happen to any of us!! So try to be tolerant of the guy that may have this in his kennel and try to have some feelin for them, Not bash them and ridicule! As long as the person has come forward and let folks know what happened then we can all take measures to help each other to prevent its spread. IT may not have had anything to do with him What about all the stray dogs that come by and Pee on yer tires or fence One of them could have it! This is why Testing is so Important I personally would never take offence to someone asking me to test my dog before breeding. As a matter of fact I will start offering it myself for any Male that I intend to breed along with my females and Will require the same! But then again anybody that would knowingly bring a dog to a trial or show knowing that they had this should in my Opinion Be Banned for life!!

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:40 pm

can brucellosis be cured.

No. Repeated attempts to develop a cure for brucellosis in animals have failed. Occasionally, animals may recover after a period of time. More commonly, however, only the signs disappear and the animals remain diseased. Such animals are dangerous sources of infection for other animals with which they associate

Post by **Bev** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:02 am

There are also instances where humans have contracted brucellosis from dogs and cattle if they came into heavy contact with amniotic fluids of aborted litters, etc.