Obama, Guns & Paranoia

[Pine Mt Beagles]

[MObeagler79]

First off, nobody wants to go to war, LIEabral, conservative, left-wing, right-wing, Democrap, RepubliCAN, nobody enjoys war, if it was a Democrap that went to war (with CONGRESS) you LIEabrals would be backing it 150%, I am just glad that we had a president that didn't want to just set back and wonder why did they do this? or wait until they did something, the war on terrorism has to be fought offensive NOT defensive, like I said nobody wants war, but you Bush hatters, why don't you start supporting the men and women that risk and give their lives everyday, so that you may enjoy doing the things that you want, instead of having someone tell you what you have to do.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

[beaglechase]

librel, which would you characterise our republican, now thank God gone president, whom has left this president with the largest baggage ever, using up the largest surplus ever to the largest debt in history, do we call this conserative...do we praise a president with the largest deficit in approval.....can we even say he got anything right? oh you say terrorism, when he went to the wrong country, to set things straight, and got into the greatest quagmire ever. now we criticise a man whom took office yesterday, before you even get him a chance...the republican party has hit rock bottom, even the runner up of the democratic party would have defeated you...don't you realise that the rehortic about abortion and gun control is now falling on deaf ears, because common sense will tell you if you could have done anything about it , you should have done so while you carried the ball, you had a chance under Reagon and both of the Bush's...I look for you to hire another prosecutor to follow Obama like you did Clinton, by the way, you cost the working man a lot of money if you are in power or not, maybe we should shift the liberal label over to you, you fit the picture better. Also you bring up the picture that you are the party of God because you want to stop abortion....I believe your thought on this was to kill the doctors whom perform them, or label every one of those women as democrats and that a republican woman never have a abortion? I believe any political party that messes with the 2nd amendment,will have boo koo problems from both parties. The american people are probably the largest militia in the world..Quit youre fear tactics.....and blasting the opposite party..we are just as american as you

[bluegrass]

Quit youre fear tactics.....and blasting the opposite party..we are just as american as you



Lets see if you say this after this P.O.S. Eric Holder starts cracking down on guns and gun ownership pal...please refer to HR 1022 which WILL get passed by the likes of you.



Tony

[beaglechase]

O Personaly I believe President Bush will go down as the most liberal president ever, if I am clear on what liberal really means, I don't think the democratic party posted that on their selves, but the republicans put that label on the democratic party, as something derogotory. Put that same label on Bush, and they become defensive.....I believe the conservatives even divided themselves from him. knowing that him and Cheney(darth Vadar) and Rumsfield(dumb feld) didn't know enough when the war was over and had no exit strategy. knowing that after Bush declared the war was over, that more resources, and manpower have went by than they ever realized. Osama is still on the loose, outsmarting this president, and Bush should feel ashame for not defeating the terrorist in its entireity. He now leaves the very man that his party has no confidence in to finish the job.. Most of the woes we face today was from his pigheadedness to stay the coarse. Even now we wonder if the U.S. can pull itself out of a hole so deep. How much do we owe countries like China < and Japan from borrowing money to support the war..If either country would call in this debt, what would happen then? Could we actually call the left the right, since what some call the right was wrong...Do we now look to a administration that has just started and declare failure. where failure already exists. Can the republicans really blame abortion on the democrats when they have never suceeded, when they had different chances to do so. I believe its called pro choice, a woman having the right to make a choice. Many are not old enough to know that before abortion was legal, that there were people trying to do these procedures when they weren't qualified and both mother and child died. Mothers taking chemicles to abort...A form of Abortion is listed several times in the bible whereby Satan tried to stop the seedline whereby christ would come, even Herrod declared that all children under the age of 2 was to be killed in the town where Jesus was born. and if abortion was illegal there would still be abortions, and yes they would be blamed on the democratic party..There is ways to help stop a lot of abortions, one is called adoption, and if you are a republican who has never adopted, then who can you blame?

[tommyg]

More Liberal smoke. Those men in the Bible were Evil,if it has anything to do with Abortion its Evil. Thing is about a second after these Liberals check out they will belive and its going to be to late. Children are a Heritage of the Lord happy is the man who fills his Quiver. It also says Evil men will wax worse and worse. I belive it takes someone Evil to kill children. God said "I knew you in the womb" so I'd say that we have a soul in the womb. Who can I blame people like you!!!

[DoubleEagle]

OK, this whole Bush lied to start a war propaganda, has made a nice slogan for liberals and has been very effective. Now that Bush is coming out of office let's have some TRUTH from the liberals.

What lie is it that the liberals refer to when they say "Bush Lied"? I would like you to quote exact words that came out of President Bush's mouth and site your source.
Where did he get that information? Give references.
Who is responsible according to the constitution to authorize a declaration of war?
How many Democrats are in congress?
Which ones of them put enough time and concern into their decision to vote to go to war to find out whether the intelligence being given to them was accurate? (They had the same info Bush did.)
If they didn't conclude from the intelligence they were given (Again, the same info Bush had) that there were weapons of mass destruction then why did they vote to go to war? Did they too, have a father almost killed by Saddam?

I think I can handle that question Tim. It will require alot of readin on your part but here are the links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Reso ... ainst_Iraq

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invas ... ush_letter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invas ... memorandum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_National_Congress

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_National_Accord

All in all it's pretty interesting reading whether you think Saddam Hussein was linked to terrorism or not. Win, lose, or draw I think Operation Desert Freedom is close to being finished and hopefully we can devote our time to more pleasurable pursuits... like hunting down Osama Bin Laden and subjecting him to Arabic law. (I think beheading is still the prefered method) As for the rest I could really care less. It's no secret our economy has gotten worse over the past 8 years and pretty much everybody is hurting in one way or another. We can either sit here and about it. Or we can give our President a chance to fix it. Either way it's out of our hands and we can only hope for the best (and write our Representatives when we don't like the way things are going lol). Take care Tim and have a great weekend. If nothing else it looks like the weathers finally starting to break and we can go out and run our dogs. I think we can all thank God for that!!!

Mike McCollough
Middletown, Indiana

[Tim H]

I appreciate your efforts but you surely realize that the point on those questions was made long ago on this thread since it was posted early Dec. It should also be pointed out to you that wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything since it is open to the public. Also, I know that attacking the President of the United States (President Bush) was a popular sport for quite some time, but I believe when he left office the game became pointless. You can only blame him for all the worlds problems for so long before it just sounds like whining.

As far as the economy, like most Americans, you are confused about how much effect the President has on it, good or bad. The congress is where the economy is most influenced. All I ask though is that you stay consistent. If you are putting the state of the economy on the President then do so whether good or bad. If you are going to rightfully put it on congress then do so, good or bad. As of now we have Barrack Obama as President and Democrats leading the House and Senate. It is now their economy and no longer the responsibility of Former President Bush. I know the argument is going to be, well they inherited the worst economy ever (not true but let's accept that position) let's also remember that it was a Democrat Congress that handed that economy over to them as well.

We can either sit here and about it. Or we can give our President a chance to fix it.

There are many more choices than that. I'm choosing neither of the ones given. I will not sit here and complain ( I will post the reality of what is being done by our government, that's not complaining) and I will hold the leaders accountable. I will not live the illusion that President Obama is going to fix anything. I would prefer he not even try. That is always what I hope for from our government. They haven't shown that they are capable of fixing anything and everything they try to fix ends up more messed up then before they tried to fix it.

We've got one more day of warm weather so I will be working some dogs today.

[beaglechase]

while watching the news today, I noticed that the new president gave across the aisle friendship, and full participation to the minority of the house and senate, any good and substational effidence to support the solutions that will help our nations ills. Now we haven't had a president to do that in a while have we? So many republicans want to refer to the semen stains on Monica's dress, other than the finanacial institutions, CEOS, and queerbait that this so righteous party has condoned. Look back at the people that Bush chose to lead this nation either scoundrels, or people wanting to play with someone in public bathrooms....you guys never reflect on your own party why? too shameful...so many of you are like a broken record, abortion or guns...and you down anything Clinton accomplished, but won't own up to anything your own party has done...if we could sum up this past administration, corruption comes to mind. and you have the gall to condemn a man who is in his infancy, who has tried to stop this division of americans....did Obama make a mistake reaching out to the opposition? or should he be pigheaded like his predesser?

[bluegrass]

Beaglechase, you are hilarious..keep drinking the kool-aid and you too will be alright.


Tony

[Tim H]

beaglechase, I'm just going to assume that your rants will continue to be pointless and aimless and senseless rhetoric, so don't be disappointed if I entirely ignore your posts from this point forward.

[tommyg]

beaglechase, I'm just going to assume that your rants will continue to be pointless and aimless and senseless rhetoric, so don't be disappointed if I entirely ignore your posts from this point forward.

I hear that.

Obamas big quote of the week "I WON". Those are the words that broke the Nations back.

[beaglechase]

I am glad it leaves you guys speechless, I am sorry if the truth hurts, Watch your idols cry...me too.....

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

....did Obama make a mistake reaching out to the opposition? or should he be pigheaded like his predesser?

Quite frankly, he needs to reach out to accomplish his goals of the banning ammo and guns, redistribution of wealth and socialism. The Republican Party has lost it's way and we are now in a one party system.