AKC rule change - May change Dog's Official Name

[HarleyPA]

I saw this topic and I couldn't believe how many posts there were in such a short time.

I agree with Patch and Southern.

You buy it, you name it whatever the heck you want. If it was good enough to have your name on it, then why are you selling it? Seems like people want free advertising and credit for making a dog after the fact.

As far as changing a name, I'd never do it.

And for making it easy to find a dog or see his heritage? Who only looks at a one generation pedigree? If you put twenty or thirty years of work into your line of dogs, then your dogs will show up when you do your research.

If your that worried that the next big thing will happen and it wont have your name invovled then just add a line to that contract that you have people sign, that says your kennel name must be the dogs prefix. That way, you wont loose your extra 20 bucks

[Bev]

If Fredom Run Jack had only sired culls who would have bred to him?If he hadn't gotten to the right trials, he may never have became FTC, but then again, we could go the other way and say, "does a name make the hound or does a hound make the name"?

Patch, I see where you're going here, but I think you have missed my entire point. I can take Jack to the trials all day long, but I cannot make him a good reproducer. The Krpans did that. I can put a FC title on Jack, but not necessarily the 39+ dogs out of him. The genetics gets the credit. Years from now, when Jack shows up 9 times in a pedigree, that piece of paper does not tell who the breeder/owner/handler of Jack was. Only the kennel name that appears will allude to that. If he had sired only culls, it reverts back to what Mark T summed up: Live and die by your kennel name. If you own it's successes, you should be willing to own it's failures.

You buy it, you name it whatever the heck you want. If it was good enough to have your name on it, then why are you selling it? Seems like people want free advertising and credit for making a dog after the fact.

As far as changing a name, I'd never do it.

So then you are in agreement with those of us who don't like the new rule, because we are talking about changing an already named dog, not an unnamed puppy. I think most of us agree about a puppy that is sold by a breeder, and if the breeder has not specified, nor cares to, their kennel name. I bought a pup one time and the litter owner put just his kennel name on the papers, i.e Frenchman's... and I added the call name I wanted. That was his perogative, his right, and I didn't have to agree to it. If putting my own kennel name on it meant so much to me that it became the deal breaker, I would just pass on the puppy.

[wvduece]

ill try to keep this simple if i can i baught a dog she was registered with akc and nkc she has 2 different names one for each registery im gonna change it to just one name i called akc this morning no big deal they said just send them 20 bucks for transfer fee n 25 bucks more for name change n send a letter saying change this dogs name to this ehatever i want to name the dog i just dont want 2 different names n the call name i was getting at for example hillside ruby and the other name is hillside florence im gonna change the dogs akc name to hilklside ruby so both registerys will have same name shhhhhhhh now im cornfused jb ps maybe ill just call it ravishing ruby

[Hard Driving Kennel]

If the breeder wants to take credit for what the dog does for the next ten years then spend the extra money and register the dog under your kennel name. If you want free advertisement then give the dog away and tell the new owner to keep the kennel name. Breeder works hard to establish a line of dogs, the buyer also works hard for his money. If he spends his money and time on the dog he should have the right to name the dog what ever he wants. If you go buy a truck for forty thousand dollars and you decide you want to have it painted but the dealer says you cant because your not the original manufacturer, what would you tell them? Just my opinion.

[Bev]

If the breeder wants to take credit for what the dog does for the next ten years then spend the extra money and register the dog under your kennel name.

So what happens when a breeders spends the extra money to do that, and along comes Joe Black who begs for a puppy out of their breeding, promises to do it justice and campaign it, and when it shows promise, decides he wants his kennel name on it instead?

This new rule is going to cause a lot of hard feelings down the road, I guarantee it. Another area of fallout I predict is that serious, good breeders are not going to make their puppies as available to others like they did in the past. They will breed less often, register them under their kennel name, and keep them all until they've either been bred or gotten CH points. Those of you who want a well-bred pup out of So-N-So's kennel may gonna have to go fish, because the breeder won't have any available.

[SouthernBeagles]

I guess what I was trying to say is If I gave a pup to Betty Boop who named it Southern Spot, who sold it to Elmer Fudd who changed the name to Elmer's wabbit huntah, why would it matter to me WHAT the dogs name is??? The pedigree and the breeder will not change and NEITHER will the AKC number. ALL breeders are responsible for keeping up with the litter paperwork which includes the buyers information and that pups litter number. Just go to the AKC site and click on store for a hound look up. You can do this with just the number and it gives the dogs name.
http://www.akc.org/store/reports/dog/se ... ?basic=yes
I think contracts that attempt to dictate what a person can do with the dog after they paid good money for it is a petty attempt on the breeders part to keep control of a pup (like co-ownership until the pup finishes, or breed to a male of my choice and give me pick) LOL. If the breeder wants control of the name, register it BEFORE its sold. If they want control of the pup KEEP IT! I will not buy a pup with any strings attached but I might agree to a name, lol. but it won't keep who ever I sell the dog to from changing it if the dog doesn't suit me later on

[SouthernBeagles]

If the breeder wants to take credit for what the dog does for the next ten years then spend the extra money and register the dog under your kennel name.

So what happens when a breeders spends the extra money to do that, and along comes Joe Black who begs for a puppy out of their breeding, promises to do it justice and campaign it, and when it shows promise, decides he wants his kennel name on it instead?

Well I guess he will have to do what all the rest of us did before the rule change......deal with it and name its pups what you want.

If the breeder names the dog and someone wants to change it later on, tuff cookies. If THAT causes hard feelings from a buyer, the buyer is not someone I would care to deal with again anyways. At the time of sale, it should be said that this dogs name will not be changed so don't bother asking.........IF its that big of a deal to the breeder.

[Bev]

That's the whole point, SB. This rule gives somebody the right to RENAME any dog they wish, as long as the dog hasn't been bred or gotten any Championship points yet. There is no Tuff Cookies to it because they don't need the breeder's permission to change the name. They can just do it.

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

That's the whole point, SB. This rule gives somebody the right to RENAME any dog they wish, as long as the dog hasn't been bred or gotten any Championship points yet. There is no Tuff Cookies to it because they don't need the breeder's permission to change the name. They can just do it.

Bev, According to Oakhills first post "Additionally, a dog first individually registered by the breeder or having a name containing a Registered Kennel Name cannot be changed without the written consent of the breeder or owner of the Registered Kennel Name." ......the dog's name can not be changed without the breeders permission if the dog was named by the breeder up front. The only way we can keep our kennel name on the dogs is to name them before we sell them.

[Bev]

Ahhhh, so. I didn't catch that twist, thank you for pointing it out. That changes everything. Nevermind. (lol)

Now I need to have a look at that form because I just don't trust it.

[SouthernBeagles]

Pike Ridge and bev, That is how I understood it too.

It still protects the breeder if the breeder names the dog.

The only problem I can see someone having with this is not wanting to spend the money to register the pup up front.

[mike crabtree]

I Like it.
I sold a pup to a guy who gave up on him at 8 months old, he said it wouldnt start. But yes he had named him AKC. I Championed him in ARHA by 16 months old, his AKC name now matches his ARHA name. That taking credit stuff works both ways. I was the breeder,and current owner but had another guys kennel name on him.

[Windkist]

if i am not breeder i dont care who kennel name is on those papers. but if i want a pup leaving here with my name i'll have to send them in, all about money. can u see having to send in 6 week old puppy papered, not good enough to just rite the name on the pappers, because most pups can be reg. on line know. what a mess.

This is exactly part of the problem. I have trouble coming up with names I like on ones I keep and I usually don't name them until they are for sure staying here so, I don't waste a really good name. I really don't want to name other peoples dogs but, they will ALL (good,bad,ugly) carry my kennel name so, I'm just biting the bullet and coughing up my 100.00 to register the darn thing! mailed it today!

I'm really sorry that some of you do not understand the importance to a breeder that their kennel name stay at the first of their dogs names. Even if I sell it doesn't mean I'm not happy with the dog. I cannot keep them all! I track health and pedigrees and when I see one with my kennel prefix I know where its from. Nothing at all is egotistical about protecting what you produce.

anyway.. its going to be a moot point now. I'm registering the name.

Leah

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

I Like it.
I sold a pup to a guy who gave up on him at 8 months old, he said it wouldnt start. But yes he had named him AKC. I Championed him in ARHA by 16 months old, his AKC name now matches his ARHA name. That taking credit stuff works both ways. I was the breeder,and current owner but had another guys kennel name on him.

Interesting twist Mike. I'd say it worked out pretty good in this situation and the dog now has the proper registered name. Good point.

[APFII]

I have kept the name on every dog or pup that I have bought ,but that was my choice. If someone else wants to change the name of a non titled dog,it should be their choice. They bought the dog . If your ego is so big you have to have your name on it, put a title on it before you sell it.Do not give me that you just want to track your dogs . Are there not ways to track offspring through the kennel clubs ?