grey pups

[dmbarnes]

I've made this cross twice now and have had grey pups in both litters. I understand that both sire and dam are carrying the recessive gene that causes this color.
If I was to take one of the female pups back to her dad would the litter be predominately grey?

[Jeremy Mapes]

I've always been told that grey dogs will throw lemon pups.

[SouthernBeagles]

Jeremy,

The "D" gene is the gene for the blanket. A recessive d gene is the blue where the dominant D gene is the black.

A blue pup will have a double recessed gene "dd" where a black blanket beagle will have a "DD or Dd". The D is dominant so even if it pairs up with a "d", the pup will still be a black tri.

The "E" gene is what produces the blanket extension. A Lemon or red and white will have a "ee" where a tri will have either "EE or Ee.

The dd gene and the ee genes are not related, However, if it carries the following gene pattern:
atat B? C? dd Ee mm sP? tt: Tricolor (Blue blanket, dull yellow points with the recessive gene for lemon Ee)

And is bred to a hound with the Ee or ee gene, some of the pups will be lemon, but again, its a seperate code that causes this.

[xdawg]

Wow... Yeah i knew that...

-jack

[schleppy]

Very scientific stuff for a bunch of dumb hound lovers.

[wvduece]

i just bred a red n white female both of her parents were red n white also the grand parents on both sides were red n white, i bred this female to a bluetick,anyone know the chances of getting some red ticks just curious jb

[Larry G]

I get a lot of calls for lemon and white pups. Now if I bred 2 lemon and white dogs would all the pups be lemon and white? I think so, but a lot of people have said it don't work. I have not tried it so don't know.

[mc2you]

If Southern Beagles info is correct and I presume it is: then to answer the original question--

If the sire was Dd (black blanket) and the pup was dd (blue) then this cross should produce 50% black (Dd) and 50% blue (dd).

Dd x dd

D d
_________
d | Dd dd
|
d | Dd dd
__________

The sire can give either D or d in his sperm. the dam can only contribute d into her eggs. The outcome is predicted in the square box above--although tough to draw on a confuser!!

Larry Mc

[SouthernBeagles]

I get a lot of calls for lemon and white pups. Now if I bred 2 lemon and white dogs would all the pups be lemon and white? .

Larry G,
Yes, they would all be lemons or red and whites. You can't get a dominant gene out of two recessives.

Each pup gets one of the genes from its parent so if you have two double recessives, you can only a double recessive.
ee+ee=ee



This is why the red and whites and lemons are so common in the Patch line.

Sorry guys for getting so technical . The color genes fascinate me. Whats cool is ALL of the genes pair up the same way with the dominants and recessives. The color is just the easiest to see.

[SouthernBeagles]

Oh by the way,
One thing that is confusing is a lot of folks think that a chocolate, or red tri is a red and white and will mark them like that on the papers. The difference in these hounds is the blanket. Some folks call them Warfield Reds, others call them copper nose dogs. A chocolate or red tri will have a saddle or third color where a TRUE red and white or lemon will only have two colors or NO saddle; one shade of red or tan and white.

[Jeremy Mapes]

I bred two tricolor hounds and got four lemons and four tri's. There are lemons on both sides but their four and five generations back.

[Larry G]

There was a thread on here once where a poster said he got tri's from 2 lemon and whites. I don't know, but I think SB is right, that you only get lemon/white because it is recessive. But accidental breedings do happen so that might have been what caused some tricolors.

Dale I have 2 newborn male pups that are grey color and people seem to like them. I wonder if they would sell better or worse than the more common colors.

[main event`s beagles]

i see i am not the only zooology course taker at the state university

[T&T KENNELS]

Dale, Do you have a picture of these grey pups? I would sure like to see em. Thanks

[mike crabtree]

The only DD I know, My wife carrys around, but you most definately can get Tri's from 2 lemons, or Lemons from 2 tri's.


That is without accidental breeding.