Is Progresive pack merging into Little pack

[Alabama John]

Jimmie

Bunch of old farts get together, everyone brung two or three and no one wants to leave theirs at home.

Running beagles just like old timey fox hounds used to be run. Lots of the men and sometimes women used to run fox with Walkers and Julys, but limited running areas and mainly roads, have switched to rabbits.

Sounds like a constant roar. Usually dogs break off on different rabbits and have more than one going at a time.

It's supposed to be fun, not too professional or serious! Lots of gigging each other and laughs.

Hatfield
I knew you misunderstood me. I talk better in person.
I know who you ran with and we run a little different beagle. No harm done.

[kybeagler]

I know what you are talking about alabama John. Its fun. Build up a good fire and let the lies fly. lol. I love fox hunting. Used to run a fox lot. But yeah all of us get together like that too. Dont like to run young dogs like that but an older more experienced hound is ok by me.

[houndsound]

Houndsound wrote

LP may promote a dog that is a little "rough" in the check.... but if PP has bunch's of dog's that run a rabbit for an hour and a 15 second check is a rare and long check.... then they're promoting babbler

Explain to me how PP is promoting babblers by scoring a dog that beats 5 other dogs to recovering the line in less than 15 seconds?

I was exagerating a point...... don't take it as literal as it came out. I do think it's possible if to much emphasis is on speed, then checks can be made, but we call them holes or rough scenting conditions...

And if to much emphasis is put on stradeling the line or making an exact science out of a check, then a walkie talkie babbeler would be the end result of taking that to far.

All that said, I'm not a field trialer.... I run with some guys that everyone says have little pack style dogs, and I run with some guys that are big into both UKC PP and NKC PP...... they explain the difference to me, but to tell you the truth I don't see much any difference.

[JIMMIE ABSHIRE]

John after posting off last night i got to thinking about 2 things I would like to clarify. 1. The midwest promotes my type of dog hard hitting let em roll hounds. They have several big males each time i have been so large turnouts mean get em up quick so the winners pack is longer. This is the most efficent way to get er done . The dogs winning seem to win here and there so that tells me this . Must be pretty consistant format.
I did not even attend 1 hunt this year due to this and that . I have made several friends in this format and honestly believe it will always be the big brother of formats . The midwest promotes not only hard hitters but gun dogs with wheels . Long live midwest it rocks and i will be back.

2.Roughness . I was looking at pedigrees last night while eating supper.
My blood consist 100% Hare hounds breeding. They are bred for hare and broke on cottaintail. They will show roughness,they are harehounds I think this is often overlooked by most .I attended a trial a few years back in NY . in which kentucky boys eiether won or placed in ever class. The funny thing was ,here was all the big boys and a bunch of ky boys came in a spanked em. Pretty cool feeling . Our dogs ran like they were on acid , I have never seen anything like it before or after. Oh yea we were running hare something my dogs are breed to do . Vic costansa shook my hand i thought i just met dale earnhart, good fellas up north, enjoyed it. Point being As a general rule i believe we ask lots of our little friends and sometimes get mad to quickly when they cant run well or snap back to check.I am totally happy with my breeding but believe i am 2 or 3 crosses away from The Great One . My breeding is several different
doors and it all goes to the same room. Give them a break next time ya get mad, Remember they are trying to get er done for ya.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

JIMMY
BRED,, FOR HARE TRAINED ON,, RABBIT,,A POINT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE MISS.SINCE THE HARE HOUNDS ENTERED THE ,MID WEST ,AND ARHA,,SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BREEDING.FOR A HOUND TO RUN RABBIT,USEING HARE BLOOD,AND THAT IS WHY I THINK THE HOUNDS TODAY ARE SOME FASTER THAN THE HOUNDS OF OLD.WHEN I WATCH A DOG RUN THERE IS A" FINE LINE BETWEEN ""ROUGH AND COMPETETIVE""I LIKE A HOUND THAT RUNS FOR THE FRONT,,,,,,,UP THE MIDDLE NOT AROUND THE PACK.AND WHEN HE GET'S THERE """HAS THE NOSE AND BRAINS TO DO IT""I THINK THE HARE DOGS ARE A LITTLE MORE AGGRESIVE,JUST MY THOUGHT'S-------------

KEEP'EM RUNNING
PINE MT BEAGLES

[Alabama John]

I don't trial much, and only around here.

If I wanted a room full of LP trophies, I would get dogs from the big winner in this part of the country and that is the Hills Shakerag kennel from Tennessee.
Fine a Beagle people and sportsmen you will ever meet.
The Hills are at all our trials and usually clean up the trophies in every catagory.
If they don't win, usually a dog from their breeding that someone else owns does. Check the results in theThe Rabbit Hunter to see what I mean.
Those Hills Shakerag dogs hunt hard, claim quick, run close, great mouths, and are much slower than my dogs and the dogs that used to run and win here in LP. They are much easier on judges too.

They in my opinion could run what I understand PP runs easily and may be doing it now.

[back40]

Alabama John,
There's no arguing the success of the kennel you mentioned. I've had some hounds from their kennel up here in my neck of the woods and although they could be considered a conservative LP type hound, I doubt they would consistently stay on the ground in Progressive Pack. I do believe however that they would probably do well in UKC Performance Pack.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

HEY JOHN
THOSE HILL BOY'S ARE FINE FOLK,I MET KENNETH YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS RUNNING,MY OLD VOO-DOO HOUND,I THINK THEY STILL BREED A LOT OF" DINGUS MACRAE"I HAVE QUITE A FEW CROSSES MYSELF,HILBILLY IS RUNNING SCRUB IN PP IN GEORGIA,HE IS SOLID HARE BREEDING.IN THIS RESPECT,I THINK THAT L.P--AND P.P HAS A LOT IN COMMON,THEY VARY SO MUCH DEPENDING ON WHAT PART OF THE COUNTRY YOU ARE IN.THAT IS WHAT PROMPTED THIS TOPIC,,,IN THE FIRST PLACE....I HAVE A COUPLE, HOUNDS HERE NOW THAT CAN RUN L.P.--P.P---AND MIDWEST GUNDOG ASS.IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU RUN AT.THE RULES ARE THE SAME ALL OVER BUT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS ON ..CHECKS ,,LINE CONTROL,USE OF MOUTH ,HUNT ETC...IT SEEMS THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR HOUNDS THAT CAN RUN IN ALL --3...JUST MY OBSERVATION---------I DIDN'S SAY MY HOUNDS COULD WIN IN EITHER,BUT SOME PEOPLE MUST THINK THEIRS CAN,BECAUSE THEY KEEP TRYING-----------
KEEP'EM RUNNING
PINE MT BEAGLES

KEEP'EM RUNNING
PINE MT BEAGLES

[Roy Pasmore]

I run both LP and PP here in local clubs. Have won consistently in PP over the last 5 years. Ran one midwest SPO trial this summer with same dogs had two in winners packs. I place in little pack but so far have not won any big hunts. My best showing is in PP I won the opens in EMC this year. Won other hunts and placed quite often. The point was made earlier that defferent parts of the country judge by the same rules defferently. HOW TRUE THIS IS.

[jumpmaster]

Roy, could you tell us more about your dogs, I would like to know how their bred, and running style?

[Pine Mt Beagles]

ROY
GO BACK AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE TRIAL RESULTS AND COMPARE BLOODLINES,,SAME DOGS, DIFFERENT AREA , WHERE THEY RAN AT,ALSO SAME RULES.........PERSONALLY I LIKE SEEING BOTH END LOOKING TOWARD THE MIDDLE.I THINK EVERONE WILL BENEFIT,ESPECIALL THE HOUNDS.................

PINE MT BEAGLES

[Roy Pasmore]

Above ? about breeding of my dogs and running style. My male is mostly wier creek he runs with a great deal of line control Medium to high side of medium speed. My female has more branko and shaker then any thing else. works a check from in side out runs a track with speed to point of over running at times. would call her fast. Both dogs or excellent jump dogs run well together. They both have placed in all three formats UKC,ARHA.AKC. I owned mother of male made the cross that he comes from bought the female as a pup and broke her with males mother.