WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF A WALKIE-TALKIE DOG???

billi · Post by **billi** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:15 am

I went to one of the trials years ago. I hate to think im that old but i guess we all get there sooner or later. Looking back i think it was a way older folks could keep up and judge. We criticise those folks for what they may have taken away from the true rabbit dog however i wonder sometime if the same could be said someday for the cuttin , overrunnin speed demons we have in some of todays trials. Will generations to come say what the heck where those guys thinkin. We cant keep up to judge the speed demons of today and they fixed that by slowing them down to a walk. I always thought it would be much easier to stop a deer chase.lol I think the people that bred this in was the field trial participants it for sure wasnt the rabbit hunters. As i have grown older i have more of an understanding as i find it harder to stay up with my dogs all i can say is thank goodness for Tri Tronics.

Emery · Post by **Emery** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:31 am

LOL @ wheelbarreling... I have seen that before. The back dog went right up behind the other dog with his nose between his back legs and kept right on going picking the front dog's back legs up off the ground. Funny thing was that the front dog's back legs kept right on going like he was running. LOL That back dog wouldn't leave the track to get ahead, now that is determination in my book.

crewchf · Post by **crewchf** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:07 am

OK guys,,, Who's useing the DAD GUM Walkie Talkies is what I want to know???????????

Crew Chief

gus · Post by **gus** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:19 am

billi wrote:I went to one of the trials years ago. I hate to think im that old but i guess we all get there sooner or later. Looking back i think it was a way older folks could keep up and judge. We criticise those folks for what they may have taken away from the true rabbit dog however i wonder sometime if the same could be said someday for the cuttin , overrunnin speed demons we have in some of todays trials. Will generations to come say what the heck where those guys thinkin. We cant keep up to judge the speed demons of today and they fixed that by slowing them down to a walk. I always thought it would be much easier to stop a deer chase.lol I think the people that bred this in was the field trial participants it for sure wasnt the rabbit hunters. As i have grown older i have more of an understanding as i find it harder to stay up with my dogs all i can say is thank goodness for Tri Tronics.

Nope there is no excuse for either type. You can always find judges to judge good dogs. If the beagle is judged by the rule book, keeping in mind that killing rabbits is the goal, then there will be little trouble. As long as winning ribbons and trophies is the goal then the rules will continually be ignored because of time constraints.
Brace trialers and some SPO trialers take line control to the extreme. Who, when rabbit hunting, wants a beagle to bark several times in one track. Other type trials place so much emphasis on speed and the lead dog. I went to a Mid West SPO large track trial a couple of years ago. Each time there was a check, within thirty seconds dogs would be spread out over an acre. If the check lasted a minute or more and a dog came back and barked in the check area, there would be dogs coming from every direction some would be a couple hundred yarads away. I talked to the judge after the trail and he commented without me asking, "man that was a rough pack of dogs". That is the problem. The judge can only judge what is on the ground. AKC requires that you give 1st through NBQ no matter the quality.
So one of those rough dogs got first place. A few more trials and he will be Field Champion, advertised at stud, and the beat goes on. Prety soon we have the extremes Potterers, and Rabbit herders.
To the Mid West's credit they are trying to place a closer running dog. The last couple of trials I attened I saw evidence of that. I hope they can get back to the type of dog that was winning in the 80's. But that is just my opinion. Feed what you like and enjoy.

SouthernBeagles · Post by **SouthernBeagles** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:00 pm

show dog wrote:I went to a spo trial once. The dogs had to have the rabbit chased out then they walked the line, barking a few times, walking some more. Don't think you could shoot over these dogs because the rabbit is about a half hour ahead. Good if you like to listen and watch and walk with a cane right behind your dog.

To each his own. lol I have had dogs that are slow but not spo slow and fast but not lph fast. Still have fun!

Carolyn

Carolyn, I run SPO in the deep south and yes my dogs DO walk when scent is so poor they have to, BUT on an average scent day they will push the rabbit hard. Its call gears. They will only run as fast as the scent will allow. There are faster dogs out there SURE but there are also slower dogs too. The pack you saw may have been tracking scent on a day where other packs couldn't even keep a rabbit up! Thats what them gears are about.
My dogs are HUNTING DOGS FIRST. I do not raise trial dogs. I trial my hunting dogs.
You should really get out more and watch every type (speed and style) of dog you can. Learn about the different registries, what type of dog they promote and learn the rules. tHEN COMES THE HARD PART. Learn how to APPLY the rules to what you see.
I bet you didn't know that AKC SPO is just a rule format. Different federations dictate the type of hound they choose to permote. The Mid West Federation tends to run a faster, harder hitting hound then the UBGF, The Deep South runs a hound some where in between. There are other federations besides these three mentioned, however I am using these three as an example. FYI some of the dogs that compete in the Mid west ALSO compete in the ARHA LP wich is a format owned by NKC that promotes one of the harder hitting type hounds in the US. The Mid West events, UBGF AND Deep South ALL run under the same format called SPO
Learn something, then educate us about our formats and what you can and can't kill rabbits over.

fair chase · Post by **fair chase** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:02 pm

You can look at those type of dogs and they look so out of shape, so I can see why they are so slow.

tnbeagleman · Post by **tnbeagleman** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:14 pm

Me and a friend went gun hunting a few years back with an older gentleman that "supposingly" had a couple of the best dogs around . About five minutes after we turned loose my male jumped a rabbit and my friends male joined in. Well shortly the older gentlemans two walkie talkies joined the chase a distance behind I might add. The rabbit circled . My friend killed the rabbit we picked it up, patted our dogs on the head , and was ready to go on the older man said wait boys my dog is on a different rabbit . He had made a couple of comments like I'm going give you boys a lesson , and my dogs will eat those big leggy things . My friend said lets time them dogs and looked at his watch 18 minutes later those two dogs came in too the kill spot. We came up with an excuse to leave loaded our two leggy hounds and went somewhere else and ran. That sort of explains the difference our hounds were on that rabbit 4 to 5 minutes his was on it 22 to 23 minutes to get to the same spot. Hey, He liked his hounds so We left him to run his style and we went and ran ours.

WayneValentino · Post by **WayneValentino** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:57 pm

Walkie talkies... My cousin is in the brace beagle ie walkie talkie hall of fame... You can't gun over those dogs and they have no hunt in them.. brace guys are looking for extreme line control and tons of tounging on scent.. Checks have to be super tight...those dogs are like little fat short legged robots... My kin have been into this type of trial for 4 generations now... It ain't for me I want an upper med. to fast dog that loves the gun and brings them to that gun in short order... THATS RABBIT HUNTING !!!

bunnie harvester · Post by **bunnie harvester** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:07 am

FOLKS,,,I was a brace man for over 20 yrs, finished a bunch of GOOD walk on type of hounds,NOW,lets but it this way,now I enjoy the PP style of hound, and thats what have gun hunted all my life,most of you younger people only see 5 generations of their dogs pedigree, look back a little further and if you have any line control or stay ,even a GOOD chop mouth, there is some WALKIE-TALKIE blood line in that pedigree,it came from somewhere

Yes,todays Brace Hounds are sorry and its a real shame,,

gus · Post by **gus** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:17 pm

I agree Bunnie Harvestor, but look a few generations back past your walkie talkie dogs and you will see some rabbit hunting dogs. Elmer Grey said the quality that made Linesman special is that when bred to the faster bitches of the day, he gave some line control to the pups. Then it was the Boogies, Pearson Creeks, Limbos. We seem to carry each fad to the extreme before the pendulum swings back. It seems to go in cycles. I too prefer the progressive pack type hound. Not because I prefer a medium speed hound, it seems when beaglers breed for more speed they forget about line control. They want the lead dog no matter how he gets there.