NKC or ARHA

hubertsoutlaw · Post by **hubertsoutlaw** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:39 pm

I was just wanting to ask a nonoffensive question, that may sound a little offensive on here because we are not talking face to face. My question, what kind of hound does the Nkc(arha) promote. That sounds bad but I am not meaning this in a bad way. Here is the reason I ask.

I have been to two trials in the last month, and I have watched more than several casts. To me the best hunting/rabbit dog should win. The one that has the most jumps, pick ups/checks, and the dog that runs the most rabbit right. I have went to these trials and been watching the race and seen several hounds in the format totally leave the rabbit race and swing way out in front to grab the rabbit or what ever. Sometime beeing right, but other times messing the whole race up. Should it not be minused or picked up for faulty ruuning or not having the guts to stay in the race? Remember, just a question not bashing.

Or as soon as they lose the track of a rabbit, at least staying in a tight check area for a period of time. Usually dogs are suppose to come back to the point of loss and try to take the check out. They were swinging way out as soon as they lost it(sometimes 70 to 100 yards). Should that be a fault? I would think so. Should that hound recieve a demerit or minus? Just a question or two I was wondering.

Thank You Jeremy.

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:50 pm

Not sure about Little Pack, but Progressive Pack promotes a good hunting, clean running rabbit dog. Back to the point of loss, inside out check work. Any rough, swinging or faulty hounds will be minused and evenually picked up.
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hubertsoutlaw · Post by **hubertsoutlaw** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:14 pm

Can anyone come or do you have to have a champion or a top place to run

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:22 pm

Anyone can compete as long as their dog is NKC registered.

DaManBeagles · Post by **DaManBeagles** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:29 am

What part of Indiana do you live?

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billi · Post by **billi** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:05 am

Jeremy in your post Jan 8 2007 you stated how the AKC champion is the only true champion and how much AKC pomotes a true rabbit dog. I take it by this post you have been sluming with the ARHA folks. lol I cant help but wonder if this is just ..well its time to stir the pot.. it seems some folks due more harm to trialing then good..why dont we talk about the good things..like how much fun it is to be around folks that have something in common..thats what its about..thank goodness for so many trials in your area..your buddy Paul says..I JUST LOVE THIS GAME..and he means anywhere any time any trial cause he loves it.

bucker · Post by **bucker** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:01 pm

Billi is right. How often do you get the chance to be around so many people that spend so much time running dogs, training young dogs, hunting, .... Feild trialing should be fun no matter what format. The best thing anyone can do is read the rulebook and see how the format they are running keeps score. That way when you see a cast of dogs run, you can tell if they are doing right. All the dogs I have owned don`t have a rulebook to read to know right from wrong. They just have Instincts. I`ve ran UKC, AKC, LP, PP and pkc. You can find bad in all formats if your that kind of person. BUT at the same time you can find plenty of good in all as well. I say run the trials that your hounds are bred to run and try to be positive, and have FUN! If your young and in good shape help someone JUDGE. The judge sees more of the cast than anyone. And should have more fun than anyone. Remember, all dogs are equal. Some are just better than others and no matter how good your dog is, there will always be one better out there somewhere, IF YOUR RUNNING WITH YOUR EYES OPEN.

Duke · Post by **Duke** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:55 pm

My 2 cents on this is simple. Far too many times a trialer has placed a saddle on his hound and thinks he is the jockey. We are all kennel blind, even the very best houndsmen. We know our hounds voice and moves and we que in on this at a trial. It is automatic, we cant help it. We also see another dogs faults easier than our own dogs, because we saw all of our own hounds great moves and therefore accept a little of their faults.

Judging is just that, the judges judgement on hounds. There are some very experienced judges and some who are not so experienced. I have heard people complain about judging and cheating, but I believe it is more inexperience than that. I like to believe that what happens is the judges best judgement at that time with his knowledge and experience.

Just look at a bench show, how many times do you agree exactly with the judges choice. It is because once we bring a judge in it becomes subjective. ARHA, AKC, NKC all have some poor hounds and all have some great hounds. Find a format you like and LIKE it. Promote it positively and fairly, give all the judges respect and understand it is their opinion and leave your ego at home and you will be much happier.

letumrun · Post by **letumrun** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:53 pm

duke hit the nail on the head

Post by **Pike Ridge Beagles** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:25 pm

Duke wrote: leave your ego at home and you will be much happier.

bennetdr · Post by **bennetdr** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:34 pm

letumrun wrote:duke hit the nail on the head

well said

Rockhard · Post by **Rockhard** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:18 am

billi wrote:Jeremy in your post Jan 8 2007 you stated how the AKC champion is the only true champion and how much AKC pomotes a true rabbit dog.

Good and bad in all.
Run what you like
Feed what you like
Attend trials you like
Let the rest go

If NKC bothers you, then maybe you should stick with the "best", as you call it.
Life is to short to worry about the things you don't like.

Kenny VanHoose · Post by **Kenny VanHoose** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:18 am

Duke, I agree wholeheartedly!

hubertsoutlaw · Post by **hubertsoutlaw** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:22 pm

I did put that post back in 2007, but as a joke. Really, the two questions have not been answered. Should a dog that swings way out of the check to pick a rabbit after just being lost recieve a demerit or minus. Also, a dog leaving the rabbit chase to swing out and get the front or what ever. I have a dog like that, and he is the best dog I own. He didn't always leave the check area so bad until I ran him with really fast dogs. I am not happy that he does it, but at times looks dang good. I think it is a fault, that he is that smart. He has tons of heart and will not quit, but in my eyes is still a fault. I will solo him for a month and he won't do it for a long time, but he is getting old and smarter. What can I say, the best dog I have is a cheater in my eyes. Jeremy

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:00 pm

In my opinion...any hound that will consistently leave the line just to get to the front isn't worth feeding.

As far as swinging in the check....all depends what you like.

As far as scoring it...depends on what format your running.

Seems to me you've been in dogs and on these boards long enough that you'd know the answer to your question.