I just got off the phone with Francine Myers the secretary of FCRH and she told me briefly about a few "new rules". She said according to Del that they will be affect EVERY division at the beginning of the year. The first one is concerning cell phones (see below) and the other is about dog registrations and membership cards. Starting January 1 you will have to show your membership card and the registration papers for EVERY dog. I guess there are dogs being ran that are not registered at all or dogs being ran that are pending. And Francine said by the way Joyce talks , "The guys that have been running with pending numbers are gonna be in for a rude awakening when none of their points count."
Don't shoot the messenger, just relaying the message.
Francine said Del said if you are caught with a cell phone, your judging license will be pulled.
Here is all I could find on the cell phone rule and I found it in Progressive Pack, but like I said, I was told it will affect LP (and every division) as well at the beginning of the year. She told me to have Matt and Tony pass the word at our trials.
IT HAS COME TO THE ATTENTION OF THE RULES COMMITTE, AND THE EXECUTIVE BOARD THAT CELL PHONES ARE BEING USED BY JUDGES IN THE FIELD WHILE JUDGING CASTS TO: 1-CHECK ON OTHER CASTS, 2-CHECK ON DOGS IN OTHER CASTS, 3-CHECK ON SCORES OF OTHER CASTS, 4-CHECK ON WINNERS OF OTHER CASTS.
WHILE THERE IS NO WRITTEN RULE THAT SAYS JUDGES IN THE FIELD CAN NOT USE CELL PHONES TO CALL, TEXT, OR RECEIVE CALLS OR TEXTS FROM OTHERS; AT THIS TIME.
WE (EXECUTIVE BOARD) ARE ASKING THAT ALL JUDGES WHILE IN THE FIELD JUDGING CASTS--DISCONTINUE USING, AND OR CARRYING CELL PHONES.
WE ASK THAT ALL OF US (JUDGES) MAKE IT A GENTLEMENS AGREEMENT TO DO THIS IN ORDER THAT THERE CAN NO ACCUSATIONS BY ANYONE OF ANYTHING ILLEGAL TRANSPIRING.
WE ASK THAT ALL JUDGES LEAVE THEIR CELL PHONES: 1-AT THE CLUB HOUSE, 2-IN THE TRUCK AT THE CAST SITE, 3-WITH A MEMBER OF THE GALLERY, OR SPECTATOR GROUP IN THE FIELD FROM THIS DAY FORWARD.
WE ASK THAT CLUB PRESIDENTS, AND OR MASTERS OF HOUNDS MAKE THIS AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL JUDGES PRIOR TO SENDING THEM INTO THEN FIELD TO JUDGE ANY CAST.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT EMERGENCIES, AND OR OTHER SITUATIONS OCCUR THAT MAY REQUIRE THE USE OF A PHONE WHILE IN THE FIELD. THAT IS WHEN THE SPECTATORS, AND OTHER GALLERY MEMBERS COME INTO PLAY, WITH THEIR PHONES, OR YOURS THAT THEY ARE HOLDING FOR YOU.
WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT, AND HELP IN THIS MATTER.
THE EXECUTIVE BOARD AND RULES COMMITTEE
Happy Beagling
Amanda
PS
FYI The cost of LP rule books has increased to $2 due to printing costs. So if you need one or want one the cost is now $2.
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"The guys that have been running with pending numbers are gonna be in for a rude awakening when none of their points count."
Does that mean if I register my dog and it wins, it would not count??? That does not seem fair to me . I agree with the cell phones. A judge should not be distracted during the casts. JMO
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tinymwoods wrote:"The guys that have been running with pending numbers are gonna be in for a rude awakening when none of their points count."
Does that mean if I register my dog and it wins, it would not count??? That does not seem fair to me . I agree with the cell phones. A judge should not be distracted during the casts. JMO
I don't know for sure how all that will work. I'm sure if you register your dog the morning of the hunt, it would still count. I'm guessing now...don't quote me. I will find out more on Sunday.
The way she talked there are a few guys that have been running dogs with "pending" numbers most of the year.
My question with the registration is if they don't want dogs ran with pending numbers then are they gonna speed up the delivery time in which we get the papers in the mail?
Good question. If a club waits 30 days to send in the registration and then it takes another 30 days to get the papers, then I may have to put pending on 3 or 4 hunts with no points! Had this happen recently but Joyce said they had the registration but the results were posted for one club online before the reg. papers were received from another club. Hope they tweak it to where it is fair is all.
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The way she talked there are a few guys that have been running dogs with "pending" numbers most of the year.
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i know a buddy of mine has tried to get his papers a couple times,they sent them to the wrong adress,he still ran his dog using pending,as a matter of fact,the dog just finished for lprch this past weekend,do,i guss he id s.o.l.
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I am really indifferent to them.
The cell phone usually stays on vibrate (because the ringtone is my dogs running a rabbit and that causes some confusion at a trial when it rings).
I don't answer my phone if I am busy.
The registration, I really ahve no problem with but I am not a points chaser.
I agree that your dog has to be registered, and in a timely fashion. You should present your membership card and registration papers when you register for a trial.
The cell phone thing is a different issue. I agree that the judges should not be using them while they are judging and that they should not be used to check on other facets of the trial. But they should be allowed to have them-or someone VERY close by- in case of emergencies. I have been out in a cast before and the dogs ran a deer, the judge and some of the handlers followed. The rest of us waited, and waited, and waited. We had no idea where they were. We drove around and did not find them. Finally, we tracked them down using cell phones. Some the handlers and hounds missed out on the rest of the hunt because those people could not be located in a timely fashion. So, in that instance, cell phones were needed. Or the time when one handler suffered a medical emergency. Again the cell phone was NEEDED. That's my 2 cents.
I was present at the PP Ohio State Hunt, when Ms. Meyers discussed these rules, and the reasoning behind them.
This is "my" interpretation.
1. No Cell phone-- "my" understanding is cell phones are "not" prohibited in the field , but should be used for emergencys only. The example given, was that some judges were calling other cast judges, or recieving calls from other cast judges. Inquiring about the scores of different dogs.
2. Pending Papers-- the issue as i see it, is not the time frame that it takes to receive permanent papers, but rather owners running different dogs (dog switching) under the same pending papers.
3. Checking for club membership cards-- this has always been a rule, but very few clubs enforce it. My personal experience with this is, I have entered dogs at 15 different clubs in the past four years, in both PP & LP. I have been asked to produce a membership card three times, never at A LP hunt.
4. Checking dogs registation papers-- I believe this comes into play during the rolling of dogs, many times dogs that get re-rolled from a cast are "not" owned by the same person or kennel, but rather by a buddy or relative that doesn't want to run against each other in the first round. The handler yells "roll'em" and ownerships of said dogs never gets challenged. Looks like a crack down on this.
again this is just my opinion, or interpretation of what I heard. Not necessarily the real reason behind these rules.
I agree with the new rule on pending papers ... I am pretty sure they are reffering to the problem like this . ( I buy a dog and plan to give him a test run in the trials ... I simply mark the paper as pending and don't have to pay my registration fee , if the dog wins or done well I will have the dog registered if not I will not be out any money .. Some people use this method until a dog gets a good place or win ) So I do understand the new rule . I think that the only way you should be able to run on a pending number is if the breed inspector signs that you had your dog inspected and payed your registeration fee . JMO
i dont like the rule saying you must present your papers when registering because some of us send dogs with people to hunts and i for one just right down the information on my dog down and that way i dont have paperwork spread all over the country and getting lost.
i do agree with the cell phone deal,you can easily manipulate the outcome and placing of dogs by staying in comtact with fellow judges and handlers on other casts.
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danny vansickle wrote:i dont like the rule saying you must present your papers when registering because some of us send dogs with people to hunts and i for one just right down the information on my dog down and that way i dont have paperwork spread all over the country and getting lost.
You could always make copies of the dogs' papers to send with others that way you don't have to worry about the originals getting lost.
I just finished printing signs to hang up at the clubhouse about presenting membership cards and registration papers when you sign up your dogs.
danny vansickle wrote:i dont like the rule saying you must present your papers when registering because some of us send dogs with people to hunts and i for one just right down the information on my dog down and that way i dont have paperwork spread all over the country and getting lost.
You could always make copies of the dogs' papers to send with others that way you don't have to worry about the originals getting lost.
I just finished printing signs to hang up at the clubhouse about presenting membership cards and registration papers when you sign up your dogs.
That is a really good idea , I didn't know if it could be a copy or if it had to be the original .
runnemhard wrote:ARHA LP has aleady been cheking membership and registration papers. This rule was passed in LP in 2003. PP has never had to show them to roll dogs.
Also, I have talked to a couple LP e-board members. There is no pending cell phone rule in LP. It has never even been discussed.
I know there was an issue with a couple dogs that were ran for months as pending. This was PP as well.
I just got back from our club meeting and from my understanding talking with Francine (the club secretary and board member for PP), LP e-board members have not had a meeting yet so that Joyce can tell them. Joyce says it will effect EVERY division come the new year...Joyce said that it came straight from Del's mouth "No cell phones are to be used while judging. NKC will pull your judging license."
Like I said, I'm just relaying the message like I was told.
As far as those asking about registration papers, if you register a dog at Club A one week (with a registration application) and take it to Club B the following week, you can put pending and still run your dog as long as you show the registration application (the one the breed inspector signs) to Club B.
As for those that have been running with pending numbers... NO NUMBER-NO POINTS-NO RUNOFF-NO CREDIT!
FYI The cost of LP rule books has increased to $2 due to printing costs. So if you need one or want one the cost is now $2.
. I agree with the cell phones. A judge should not be distracted during the casts. JMO