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this situation played out at a trial lately has brought about some discusion. so here it is, seems simple to me but lets see what yall say.
dog A and B are buring a rabbit up then have a breakdown after about 30 seconds or so dog C finally gets gets close enuf to get a whiff of ther line and starts barking pulls dog A back to it now that dog A has been pulled out of the check area dog B reststarts the race again dog go to it and take off how say ye that it should be scored!>>?

Minus 10 on c and 25 for b as long as I could clearly define the check area.
Anthony

That's what my thoughts were, but I am no expert.

I am definitely not an expert but should dog C be minused for pulling out of a check area he has never made it to yet? Knowing how bad some of these dogs swing out when they hunt (we have a couple), they could easily jump a rabbit and have a break down before all the dogs can get to them. Dog C is trying to get to them (like he should) when they stop barking and on the way he hits the track and does what he is supposed to do, run it. Maybe should still be a minus because it does pull a dog out but doesn't really seem right because he is running a track he has come to.

Wilson Creek Dad wrote:I am definitely not an expert but should dog C be minused for pulling out of a check area he has never made it to yet? Knowing how bad some of these dogs swing out when they hunt (we have a couple), they could easily jump a rabbit and have a break down before all the dogs can get to them. Dog C is trying to get to them (like he should) when they stop barking and on the way he hits the track and does what he is supposed to do, run it. Maybe should still be a minus because it does pull a dog out but doesn't really seem right because he is running a track he has come to.

I was thinking like you. My thought is if A and B were hammering...I cant imagine them leaving a hot check.......unless of course the nose was quicker then the brain and they were not sure they were on the line.

I do think Dog B gets points regardless if he continues to move it out.

I am just not sure I would minus C

Just my thoughts.

Check B, Minus C, Solo the heck out of A so he aint so easy to pull.

I know what the rules say, dog gets minus 10 for pulling out of the check.
BUT...like dad said, the dogs have broke down..which means dog C isnt exactly sure where the dogs are at. Its close enough to find the track they are on..I guess the question would be, how far back did C hit... If it wasnt far..i would say you couldnt minus C, it just started hunting whenever the other dogs broke down.. If it was way back where the race began, i would say minus C. If C had been in the race the whole time, and went back and hit the track they had already ran, it would be easy to minus it if it pulled another dog..But its all fresh track to dog C..so i dont know if i would minus the dog or not.

Minus 10 on c and 25 for b as long as I could clearly define the check area.
Anthony


Anthony.

I am sure that I am missreading the meaning of your reply. but just to be sure could you clear it up for me. Are your minusing both dogs? That doesn's seem right.

I think what you ment to say was that dog C gets minus 10 points for pulling dog A out of check. Dog B gets scored 25 points for staying in check and picking the rabbit back up.

Another question. Does Dog A get any deductions for leaving the Check area?

I have only started rabbit hunting and have not began trialing. but hope to soon.

Thanks
Chris

can some one tell me where the check area is?

Chris Shoopman wrote:can some one tell me where the check area is?

yes the check area was where dog aand b were before a left to go back to C that had never hunted much or been in the race since the start of it ,, dog A AND B are more pp type dogs i think and dont swing to much at all. c was haVEING A BAD day for some reason i know the dog is better than it showed that day.dog C pulled them back 40 yardss so i was told AS i was not in the cast i was judgeing.when it came to my att. i said minus the dog C and give check to dog b which really didnt affect the outcome cause B won it anyhow!but i fiugred this was a leaning tool that could help others learn!

mike crabtree wrote:Check B, Minus C, Solo the heck out of A so he aint so easy to pull.

Mike said it all. It don't matter that dog C was having a bad day, it don't matter that dog C didn't hunt much or hadn't been in the race since the start of it. What matters is the rules. Dog C barked and pulled a dog out of the check area. Plain and simple.

Bart

This also assuming that Dog C was not still running the original line into the check area. I couldn't see a minus on C in that case.

If A and B and really fast and pulled 40-50 yards ahead across an open area, had the loss and C was still running the line into the check area.
But dog C would still have to be running the line with good progress not to recieve a minus.

if dog c was running the original line that dogs a & b blew up and lost and
hasn't quit running that line how would you have a check unless dog c
loses the track at the same place a & b lost it. so your saying if hound c
keeps the original line going past where a & b lost the track that he would
receive a check?

I am saying dog C is still catching up running the original line to the check area.

I have seen this running, but not in a trail.
Dogs A and B are in the check area.
Dog C is a slow dog and is running the line toward the check area.
Dog A gets pulled out of the check area because dog C is mouthing on the line coming in, but is running the line.

It is a unlikely scenario, because it is rare that one dog is 15 seconds behind and actually running the line.

In the case I stated, which is different from the original, Check points to dog B and keep going. No minus points.