Whats the UKC like?

Koontzy · Post by **Koontzy** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:10 pm

I have only seen Arha LP, how does the UKC compare????? what speed of dogs???? ect...

thanks

tommyg · Post by **tommyg** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:14 am

A good jump hound with med fast foot will win in the UKC H&H Format. Good line control helps alot,you also don't want a ruff running hound,they miss lines. Its alot of fun,LEARN THE RULES.

hounddog · Post by **hounddog** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:49 pm

Like tommyg said, know the rules and know your hound. If you do both of these you will be fine. H&h is fun because you are involved with the judging of your hound. Give it a try, you'll probably like it.

hounddog
Jim Umbarger

whiteriver · Post by **whiteriver** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:26 am

u need a hound that hunts first and formost ,u must have an honest mouth dog to win consistently .

I like a hound that runs the front ,in ukc there are alot of different styles that win as far as speed is concerned , i have seen medium speed all the way to windsplitters win .

In my opinon a fast hound that runs clean is the only way to go !!

Mitch Gould
White River Beagles

Run&Gun · Post by **Run&Gun** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:10 pm

First go to Washington DC and hire a good lobbyist to be your handler, you will be a big step ahead of the game, regardless of your hounds ability.

hounddog · Post by **hounddog** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:14 pm

That's a little rough there run and gun. You must have done what we said not to do and go to a trial without knowing the rules. Yes it aint for everyone and you are entitled to your opinion but how many UKC hunts have you be to and you can read can't you. If you got the wrong end of the deal, it must be your own fault. JMO

hounddog
Jim Umbarger

R.W.Hawk · Post by **R.W.Hawk** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:36 pm

Hounddog,
my experience with UKC format has been that the hunting judges dogs, have won 75-80% of the casts. Is that a coincidence ? Rest assured I know the rules, it's the math that seems to get a little fuzzy. Not to mention the handlers that are afflicked with temporary blindness when a rabbit crosses 10 feet in front of them. this affliction seems to happen most, when their hounds are running behind or fail to strike in. But thats probably just coincidence as well.

houndsound · Post by **houndsound** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:57 am

Well if you see the rabbit.... call it....... not everyone in the cast has to see the rabbit to score a line. Majority of cast or non-hunting judge has to be there to score the line....but not to see a rabbit and call it a line.

I could be wrong (happens often) but I'm pretty sure that's correct.

dk

CORNERSTONE · Post by **CORNERSTONE** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:02 am

I only been to one so far. It was it was fun with only a few things I didn't care for. The people were great and very helpful to the new guy that read the rules for 2 minutes and said lets go. ( and it was with that wealth of knowledge I proceded to beat my own dog )

It was a learning trial and I picked up some great advice.

We could use a good lobbyist just about any where we go now days and the format that I used to here so many bad things about (Little pack) is my favorite.

Now for what I did not like.................. The part where a handler/ judge could take you to a personal honeyhole of thiers that they may train in regularly. I may be wrong on this but this is how it was explained at the trail.

And yes I will UKC again.

tommyg · Post by **tommyg** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:44 am

Don't fool your self R.W. Hawk this kind of stuff happens ia all formats. I was told by a guy the other day that said his hound dominated a AKC trial and he didn't win and was told he hadn't paid his dues yet. Until all the "win at all cost" guys are gone or weeded out it will always be a problem. It should be all about the Hounds not someones ego. I don't judge a hound by a field trial record because of the stuff I've seen.

Big Mike · Post by **Big Mike** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:04 pm

UKC may be the only format that if your dog wins it's cast, he/she doesn't necessarily run back. Take it from one who knows, my hound was not allowed to run back because 4 other cast winners had higher scores. If that's what the rules say, then so be it, but that must be the most ridiculous rule in beagle trials, regardless of format or sactioning registery. I am not aware of any other format that a cast winner doesn't run in either the final or semi-final cast.
All that each cast winners score proves, is that one cast went to a location that had a greater number of rabbits then the others, and UKC chooses to penalize the hound and owner, for being guided to a location that is down on rabbits, and/or the cast scores prove is that the winning hound was the best in that pedicular cast. A higher score by another cast winner hunted in different location against different hounds has no bearing what so ever on his/her ability against other cast winners, unless these dogs are run against each other. The powers that be in UKC, should change this rule in fairness to all.

mike crabtree · Post by **mike crabtree** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:38 pm

Big Mike, I agree %100. Or someone took a cast to a place so thick you never see the rabbit to score speed and drive points. Dont fault a cast winner because you took it to a crappy place.

houndsound · Post by **houndsound** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:07 pm

Big Mike wrote:UKC may be the only format that if your dog wins it's cast, he/she doesn't necessarily run back. Take it from one who knows, my hound was not allowed to run back because 4 other cast winners had higher scores. If that's what the rules say, then so be it, but that must be the most ridiculous rule in beagle trials, regardless of format or sactioning registery. I am not aware of any other format that a cast winner doesn't run in either the final or semi-final cast.
All that each cast winners score proves, is that one cast went to a location that had a greater number of rabbits then the others, and UKC chooses to penalize the hound and owner, for being guided to a location that is down on rabbits, and/or the cast scores prove is that the winning hound was the best in that pedicular cast. A higher score by another cast winner hunted in different location against different hounds has no bearing what so ever on his/her ability against other cast winners, unless these dogs are run against each other. The powers that be in UKC, should change this rule in fairness to all.

Clubs can run their hunts elimination style if they want...... then they wouldn't have to worry about this.

tommyg · Post by **tommyg** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:10 pm

Big Mike wrote:UKC may be the only format that if your dog wins it's cast, he/she doesn't necessarily run back. Take it from one who knows, my hound was not allowed to run back because 4 other cast winners had higher scores. If that's what the rules say, then so be it, but that must be the most ridiculous rule in beagle trials, regardless of format or sactioning registery. I am not aware of any other format that a cast winner doesn't run in either the final or semi-final cast.
All that each cast winners score proves, is that one cast went to a location that had a greater number of rabbits then the others, and UKC chooses to penalize the hound and owner, for being guided to a location that is down on rabbits, and/or the cast scores prove is that the winning hound was the best in that pedicular cast. A higher score by another cast winner hunted in different location against different hounds has no bearing what so ever on his/her ability against other cast winners, unless these dogs are run against each other. The powers that be in UKC, should change this rule in fairness to all.

I never did like the rule either,I belive if a Hounds wins a cast it should hunt again,Champions as well as registered. So Elimination is the way to go. The Nationals is a great example,you don't make the top 16 in registered thats it no more hunting. Seen alot of hounds capable of winning go home because of Honey Holes. I still think its a Great format for a Rabbit hound,the rule streaching and slick handleing can be delt with if you know the Rules.

Big Mike · Post by **Big Mike** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:18 pm