I noticed a guy on this board has a signature on his posts where he claims I am the only "professional beagler". To start off, I am not a professional anything, I am retired. And, I plan to stay that way. But, I do try to do everything I do in an intelligent, professional manner. So, when I compete with my beagles, I try to conduct myself in a professional manner, when I compete with my coonhounds and squirrel dogs, I try to conduct myself professionaly also. And, when someone buys a pup from me, I try to handle the buisness in a professional manner even though my dogs are just a hobby for me. My point is that even though I strongly support the Professional Kennel Club (PKC), it doesn't make me a professional beagler.
PKC has thousands of members. While there may be a few professional houndsmen in their ranks, the majority is just plain country hunters. But, you can believe that PKC is more "profesionally" run than any other hunting dog organization (in my opinion).
I think this person wants to make it look like I am the only one who supports PKC. It is not true.
If this fellow wants to use my username in every message he posts, that is fine with me. Maybe he should include my web site addy also. I think he needs to run his beagles in a professional setting with professional rules instead of the amatuer setiings and rules he runs under now. Maybe he will find out he doesn't have the dog power to compete professionally. Nuff said.
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I get sick and tired of reading ALL these posts of people making claims, that this format, that format or this line of dogs, this guys dogs are no good and handlers are ametuers etc. I've also seen numerous challanges and select individuals CALLED out with pretty good amounts of money and the most fair ways of judging I've seen. What I've NEVER seen is any of this coming to pass. So I would suggest that ALL you fellows blowing off about this format, that format, this line, that line, this guys dogs, that guys dogs, professional beaglers or ametuer beaglers put your dogs and money where your mouth is. In real easy to understand language I'd like to personally see you PUT UP OR SHUT UP and quit taking up forum space with your rambling about something you will not or can not back up. Some of the money I've seen offered to run for, is way more than a person would win in a single hunt, anywhere and if there are truely any pros out there that like to get paid for hunting they sure should jump on that payday.....UNLESS.....I know that if I felt I had the dog power and was a "professional" beagler or wanted to compete in a "professional" beagling format where I got paid for my dogs abilities I'd cash in on some of this easy money.
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Well Redtick,
Why dont you come out here and run your dogs in a professional manner, there has been guys here from NC. last week for 2 days, and as far as I know they are heading back out here in the morning to hunt for 3 days.
These are the nicest guys I know of, bring those beagles you have got that are so primed and ready to go win everything PKC has to offer and see if mine will be able to stack up to yours.
One thing I will tell you, if you do come I hope your dogs are in shape, because if they are not I will be videoing your dogs setting at your feet while you listen to mine running in the background. lol
And as far as me running under rules, I have no rules to run under, I am not allowed to run in NKC, due to smelling fish.
But I will be running in the new UKC format, Which you cant run in ( dern it )
You wouldnt be willing to run for 500.00 would you. We will run under your rules, you carry the scorecard, and we will have a bias person there just watching to make sure ever thing is done as it should be, and we will run for 8 hours.
That sound fair enough?
Why dont you come out here and run your dogs in a professional manner, there has been guys here from NC. last week for 2 days, and as far as I know they are heading back out here in the morning to hunt for 3 days.
These are the nicest guys I know of, bring those beagles you have got that are so primed and ready to go win everything PKC has to offer and see if mine will be able to stack up to yours.
One thing I will tell you, if you do come I hope your dogs are in shape, because if they are not I will be videoing your dogs setting at your feet while you listen to mine running in the background. lol
And as far as me running under rules, I have no rules to run under, I am not allowed to run in NKC, due to smelling fish.
But I will be running in the new UKC format, Which you cant run in ( dern it )
You wouldnt be willing to run for 500.00 would you. We will run under your rules, you carry the scorecard, and we will have a bias person there just watching to make sure ever thing is done as it should be, and we will run for 8 hours.
That sound fair enough?
Trent
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Hootie:
First lets start with a few of your qoutes from this very board.
#1"I dont care what you amateurs call a rabbitdog but I think most professionals want to see the rabbit before plus points are given".
#2 I really am much more interested in professional beagling"
#3"I think some day you may tire of some of the amateur beagling you do and might want to belong to a professional organization like PKC.
#4 I guess they are ok for amateurs but I want professional quality rabbit dogs
My first question concerns the above qoutes.I think it is obvious by these qoutes when you refer to others as amateurs that you think you are something other than amateur.If you were not trying to say or imply that then what was your intent with these qoutes.Also dont even bother with your standard line of "you are offtopic"
My next question concerns this qoute by you.
"I would say anyone who competes under the Professional Kennel Club rules could be considered a professional"
If you truly believe that then anyone who has ran at the PKC beagle events is a professional.It does not matter if they won,lost,ran trashy dogs or their dogs could not circle a rabbit.According to you then they are professionals.Obviously this would include you as you have ran in PKC beagle events.If you truly believed that statement when you said it then you would pretty much have to consider yourself a professional because you fit those parameters.If you believed that then then why are you saying you are not a professional now?What have I misunderstood here?
Now a more recent qoute from this very thread.
"I am not a professional anything"
It was not very long ago on this board your exact qoute was"
I am a professional squirrel Hunter"
Do these statements not contradict each other
Please answer those questions as they apply nicely to the topic of the thread which you started.I did not say anything ugly about you but simply asked you to explain these statements.Now on to other thingsYou always want to make these threads look like we are against PKC.That is simply not the case.I dont have any problem with you promoting PKC I wish there were 100 folks doing it and 1000 would be even better.The main problem I have with you is you always do it in the same breath as putting something else down.I dont care that you dont like ARHA.I dont like it much either.I try to get alot of folks to try AKC midwest gundog as that is a format that I truly enjoy.I dont have to tear anything else down to talk about the merits of midwest trialing .I dont like every single thing about midwest but I enjoy it enough that I like going.I dont expect them to tailor the rules to suit me 100 percent .If it gets to the point that I dislike it more than I like it then I will stop going.I have had friends try it and like it.the vast majority of those folks are still going.Some of the ones that did like it still stopped going because the felt the trials were too infrequent and spread out.Other friends of mine tried it and did not like it much at all.That does not mean I have to consider them as being something less than myself.That is one of the central problems I have with you.If people dont agree with you and run exactly what you think they should run and agree with your every position then you try and act like they are somehow below you.I think that stinks.Now back to PKC.I hope they succeed.If there were a lot of folks that stated that they felt that the only way PKC would be successful is if they only had the Hound and Hunter format then I might be more likely to accept that idea.I have heard very few folks even say that.Having said that I dont care if PKC changes tomorrow to just that format.I dont think that two sets of rules(actually two formats )is the problem .Plenty of other registries run more than one format.My question to you if that is truly the problem then why are we not hearing it a whole lot.Hell I would support them changing over if it would just make you happy enough to shut up.
next question.If UKC hound and Hunter rules are similar or the same to PKC rules then wouldnt it make those folks just as professional?
next question
you have constantly stated that you registered the first beagle and litter of beagle puppies with PKC.What is the meaning or significannce of that statement?
" I think it is entirely correct that Larry Meeks does not have much interest in the PKC beagle program"
This was a statement made by you.I dont know for a fact that that is how he feels.I will say based on what I have seen I agree with you on this.If you think that statement is true then dont you think this is the likely culprit of why PKC beagling is not suceeding?I will give you an example.I own all or part of several different businesses.However the main business that provides the bulk of my living is a commercial cleaning business.It is successful and I make a decent living from it.Hoever if you break it down into various parts made up of the different types of cleaning we do it would be easy and probably very accurate to say that we are not very successful in stripping and waxing floors.What I am using as a guide for this is that stripping and waxing floors contributes less than 4 percent of our total income.We make money off the floors we do and we have never had a complaint on those floors but just the fact that it only contributes that low of a percentage to our top line must mean something.Guess what it is because I dont promote it.I dont enjoy it.I dont want to do it.I will do it for our existing customers and I will even do it for other folks if the money is right.However I dont go out there and promote simply because I dont enjoy it and in the long run I dont feel it is where I want my company to be.I will do it to appease folks rather than make them mad but I am not going to promote it with much of my time or money.You can bet this pretty much assures that it will never have a role of prominence in my company because of my opinions and thoughts about it.I think this is sort of where Larry Meeks is.I may be wrong 100 percent.I dont know him other than meeting him at that first hunt so I dont want to put words in his mouth.However based on what I have seen and others have said this is what I think.My question to you then is twofold.First based onthe above qoute that you made is this how you feel and if not please explain your meaning and feelings behind the above qoute.
Secondly if this is the way he feels then do you not feel that this is a very large obstacle to overcome?
I have have tried to keep this post as civil as I can(and believe me it is not easy to keep any post civil to you).I have also tried to keep it as ontopic as I can so you really dont have any reason to not answer these questions.Like I said I dont have any problems with you promoting PKC I actually enjoy your posts when you give info on the Superstakes program and stuff like that but I do think if you are gonna put that stuff out there then you have to be willing to answer the tough questions about those programs rather than using your usual technique of just ignoring the qustions you cant or arent willing to answer.
Furthermore do not misunderstand this post I am not saying all or even any more of my posts to you will be this way.As long as you say the things you say and in the way you say them I will always attack you.Every lie I catch you in you will be confronted .However I think the questions above deserve answering and I dont want to give you any reason not to answer them.
J.Murphy/Murphy's Kennel
First lets start with a few of your qoutes from this very board.
#1"I dont care what you amateurs call a rabbitdog but I think most professionals want to see the rabbit before plus points are given".
#2 I really am much more interested in professional beagling"
#3"I think some day you may tire of some of the amateur beagling you do and might want to belong to a professional organization like PKC.
#4 I guess they are ok for amateurs but I want professional quality rabbit dogs
My first question concerns the above qoutes.I think it is obvious by these qoutes when you refer to others as amateurs that you think you are something other than amateur.If you were not trying to say or imply that then what was your intent with these qoutes.Also dont even bother with your standard line of "you are offtopic"
My next question concerns this qoute by you.
"I would say anyone who competes under the Professional Kennel Club rules could be considered a professional"
If you truly believe that then anyone who has ran at the PKC beagle events is a professional.It does not matter if they won,lost,ran trashy dogs or their dogs could not circle a rabbit.According to you then they are professionals.Obviously this would include you as you have ran in PKC beagle events.If you truly believed that statement when you said it then you would pretty much have to consider yourself a professional because you fit those parameters.If you believed that then then why are you saying you are not a professional now?What have I misunderstood here?
Now a more recent qoute from this very thread.
"I am not a professional anything"
It was not very long ago on this board your exact qoute was"
I am a professional squirrel Hunter"
Do these statements not contradict each other
Please answer those questions as they apply nicely to the topic of the thread which you started.I did not say anything ugly about you but simply asked you to explain these statements.Now on to other thingsYou always want to make these threads look like we are against PKC.That is simply not the case.I dont have any problem with you promoting PKC I wish there were 100 folks doing it and 1000 would be even better.The main problem I have with you is you always do it in the same breath as putting something else down.I dont care that you dont like ARHA.I dont like it much either.I try to get alot of folks to try AKC midwest gundog as that is a format that I truly enjoy.I dont have to tear anything else down to talk about the merits of midwest trialing .I dont like every single thing about midwest but I enjoy it enough that I like going.I dont expect them to tailor the rules to suit me 100 percent .If it gets to the point that I dislike it more than I like it then I will stop going.I have had friends try it and like it.the vast majority of those folks are still going.Some of the ones that did like it still stopped going because the felt the trials were too infrequent and spread out.Other friends of mine tried it and did not like it much at all.That does not mean I have to consider them as being something less than myself.That is one of the central problems I have with you.If people dont agree with you and run exactly what you think they should run and agree with your every position then you try and act like they are somehow below you.I think that stinks.Now back to PKC.I hope they succeed.If there were a lot of folks that stated that they felt that the only way PKC would be successful is if they only had the Hound and Hunter format then I might be more likely to accept that idea.I have heard very few folks even say that.Having said that I dont care if PKC changes tomorrow to just that format.I dont think that two sets of rules(actually two formats )is the problem .Plenty of other registries run more than one format.My question to you if that is truly the problem then why are we not hearing it a whole lot.Hell I would support them changing over if it would just make you happy enough to shut up.
next question.If UKC hound and Hunter rules are similar or the same to PKC rules then wouldnt it make those folks just as professional?
next question
you have constantly stated that you registered the first beagle and litter of beagle puppies with PKC.What is the meaning or significannce of that statement?
" I think it is entirely correct that Larry Meeks does not have much interest in the PKC beagle program"
This was a statement made by you.I dont know for a fact that that is how he feels.I will say based on what I have seen I agree with you on this.If you think that statement is true then dont you think this is the likely culprit of why PKC beagling is not suceeding?I will give you an example.I own all or part of several different businesses.However the main business that provides the bulk of my living is a commercial cleaning business.It is successful and I make a decent living from it.Hoever if you break it down into various parts made up of the different types of cleaning we do it would be easy and probably very accurate to say that we are not very successful in stripping and waxing floors.What I am using as a guide for this is that stripping and waxing floors contributes less than 4 percent of our total income.We make money off the floors we do and we have never had a complaint on those floors but just the fact that it only contributes that low of a percentage to our top line must mean something.Guess what it is because I dont promote it.I dont enjoy it.I dont want to do it.I will do it for our existing customers and I will even do it for other folks if the money is right.However I dont go out there and promote simply because I dont enjoy it and in the long run I dont feel it is where I want my company to be.I will do it to appease folks rather than make them mad but I am not going to promote it with much of my time or money.You can bet this pretty much assures that it will never have a role of prominence in my company because of my opinions and thoughts about it.I think this is sort of where Larry Meeks is.I may be wrong 100 percent.I dont know him other than meeting him at that first hunt so I dont want to put words in his mouth.However based on what I have seen and others have said this is what I think.My question to you then is twofold.First based onthe above qoute that you made is this how you feel and if not please explain your meaning and feelings behind the above qoute.
Secondly if this is the way he feels then do you not feel that this is a very large obstacle to overcome?
I have have tried to keep this post as civil as I can(and believe me it is not easy to keep any post civil to you).I have also tried to keep it as ontopic as I can so you really dont have any reason to not answer these questions.Like I said I dont have any problems with you promoting PKC I actually enjoy your posts when you give info on the Superstakes program and stuff like that but I do think if you are gonna put that stuff out there then you have to be willing to answer the tough questions about those programs rather than using your usual technique of just ignoring the qustions you cant or arent willing to answer.
Furthermore do not misunderstand this post I am not saying all or even any more of my posts to you will be this way.As long as you say the things you say and in the way you say them I will always attack you.Every lie I catch you in you will be confronted .However I think the questions above deserve answering and I dont want to give you any reason not to answer them.
J.Murphy/Murphy's Kennel
Still waiting on my lawsuit Hootananny!
I do know folks that hunt in the Professional Kennels Club coon hunts and squirrel hunts do want to see the game before plus points are given. It seems like all the folks booking PKC rabbits hunts want to see the rabbit before plus points are given because all of the current hunt listings are under the Hound and Hunter format. Plus points are only given after the rabbit is seen. So, I can say professional hunters prefer to see the game before plus points are given. Let's face it, you can't shoot rabbits if you don't see them and a beagle didn't do it's job if it didn't bring the rabbit around. So, let's not give them plus points until they have done their job.
Swing, what do you mean I can not attend any UKC Hunt I want to? I attend UKC events almost every weekend. I recently had a conversation with UKC's owner and President at UKC's World Coonhound Championship. I knew the guy that owned it before he did. I know most of UKC's staff and have known them for a long, long time. I knew the folks that held their jobs before they held them. My Cricket female has over 200 ARHA PP points but she will never get hunted in any PP hunt again, either UKC or ARHA. She only goes to hunts where the rabbit is seen before plus points are given. I might add that she has got a LP 1st and other points in that format as well.
JMurphy, as a matter of routine, I scrolled over your gibberish. I don't know why you write it, I don't read it. I doubt if many others do either.
Swing, what do you mean I can not attend any UKC Hunt I want to? I attend UKC events almost every weekend. I recently had a conversation with UKC's owner and President at UKC's World Coonhound Championship. I knew the guy that owned it before he did. I know most of UKC's staff and have known them for a long, long time. I knew the folks that held their jobs before they held them. My Cricket female has over 200 ARHA PP points but she will never get hunted in any PP hunt again, either UKC or ARHA. She only goes to hunts where the rabbit is seen before plus points are given. I might add that she has got a LP 1st and other points in that format as well.
JMurphy, as a matter of routine, I scrolled over your gibberish. I don't know why you write it, I don't read it. I doubt if many others do either.
Hootie:
Lets face it.You read evey word I write.I tried to keep it as civil as I could.I asked you questions pertaing to the topic.You arent even willing to answer legitimate questions about PKC or the exact topic you started the thread about.Why does that not surprise me.
J.Murphy/Murphy's Kennel
Lets face it.You read evey word I write.I tried to keep it as civil as I could.I asked you questions pertaing to the topic.You arent even willing to answer legitimate questions about PKC or the exact topic you started the thread about.Why does that not surprise me.
J.Murphy/Murphy's Kennel
Still waiting on my lawsuit Hootananny!
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Dave, correct me if I'm wrong.... Hadn't you said you wouldn't attend any more PKC hunts or supporty PKC beageling due to them having two sets of formats..........well UKC does now also.......I believe that's why someone said you can't hunt UKC hunt....to be consistent you'd either have to support PKC as it is or ban UKC as it now is, the other option is to be inconsistent.
Redtick,
Looks like you slick treed that one as I believe ALL of us are reading JMurphy's post word for word. I'm puttin the pencil to ya and minusing ole Redtick on that strike and slick tree.
The reason coon hunts and squirrel hunts have you to see the game to be awarded plus points is because the tracks are supposed to end at a tree thus treedogs NOT rabbit dogs. I know you refuse to answer any legitimate questions but maybe I can put one to you that you can answer. How many plus points would you get in a coon hunt or a squirrel hunt if the dog or dogs circled the coon or squirrel right over your boots but never treed it??? Now, ole Tick you need to start answering some of these questions as you have 225 minus points in this thread and I believe your babbling when starting these and then not harking into the pack. You've opened up twice on this thread but failed to hark into the pack so the next time you open you better be struck in or I'm a gonna give you some more minus points and as you know you can't stand too many more. One more thing I'm a warning you for babbling so the next time you pop off it better be the real deal or your gonna get scratched for senseless babbling and failure to participate in the hunt, for answers.
Looks like you slick treed that one as I believe ALL of us are reading JMurphy's post word for word. I'm puttin the pencil to ya and minusing ole Redtick on that strike and slick tree.
The reason coon hunts and squirrel hunts have you to see the game to be awarded plus points is because the tracks are supposed to end at a tree thus treedogs NOT rabbit dogs. I know you refuse to answer any legitimate questions but maybe I can put one to you that you can answer. How many plus points would you get in a coon hunt or a squirrel hunt if the dog or dogs circled the coon or squirrel right over your boots but never treed it??? Now, ole Tick you need to start answering some of these questions as you have 225 minus points in this thread and I believe your babbling when starting these and then not harking into the pack. You've opened up twice on this thread but failed to hark into the pack so the next time you open you better be struck in or I'm a gonna give you some more minus points and as you know you can't stand too many more. One more thing I'm a warning you for babbling so the next time you pop off it better be the real deal or your gonna get scratched for senseless babbling and failure to participate in the hunt, for answers.
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Stoney, you lose! 
Minus points awarded. Heck, I am just getting warmed up. First, I noticed JMurphy made another post I scrolled over. It is an automatic thing with me. He never talks about the topic, he just launchs personal attacks on me. It gets boring after a while. Bashing me isn't proving anything except his lack of knowledge on the topic. Minus points, big time. Actually, if we had a fair, unbiassed judge (monitor), he should be scratched for running trash!
Wardog, you certainly brought up a good point. Yes, coondogs only get plus points when they make the right tree with the meat in it. And, I have been on competition coon hunts where the coon ran right by me, the coon was seen, but the dogs failed to tree it and they were minussed. If a coondog barks 3 times, he is supposed to show you the coon or where he went in a den or a hole. If he doesn't, he get minussed. If a rabbit dog opens 3 times, he is supposed to run the rabbit until he takes a hole or draw minus points for not completing the track. Not any of this crap of calling a "dead track" and awarding plus points for faulty work. That is one of the main reasons I find Champions that won under certain formats as likely being faulty dogs that I would NEVER use in my breeding program. It is a fundamental issue and one that the guys who bash me instead of addressing the issue do not have a leg to stand on. That is why they bash me instead of addressing the issue. They are wrong and they KNOW IT.
As for UKC having 2 formats, from what I understand, there will be completely different titles awarded. So that means there is a BIG difference in the type of dogs that win. The titles will not have the same value to a lot of experianced beaglers. With PKC, the 2 different sets of rules result in the same Championship title even though one set of rules requires the rabbit to be seen, the other set of rules gives plus points for faulty dog work. IF PKC makes the dogs who Champion out under rules that favor faulty dog work have a seperate Championship title, then I would hunt PKC Beagle Hunts and try to encourage some of the local clubs to try PKC.
Boys, there is the meat on the limb, like it or not. Plus points for good dog work, minus points for faulty dog work.
Minus points awarded. Heck, I am just getting warmed up. First, I noticed JMurphy made another post I scrolled over. It is an automatic thing with me. He never talks about the topic, he just launchs personal attacks on me. It gets boring after a while. Bashing me isn't proving anything except his lack of knowledge on the topic. Minus points, big time. Actually, if we had a fair, unbiassed judge (monitor), he should be scratched for running trash!Wardog, you certainly brought up a good point. Yes, coondogs only get plus points when they make the right tree with the meat in it. And, I have been on competition coon hunts where the coon ran right by me, the coon was seen, but the dogs failed to tree it and they were minussed. If a coondog barks 3 times, he is supposed to show you the coon or where he went in a den or a hole. If he doesn't, he get minussed. If a rabbit dog opens 3 times, he is supposed to run the rabbit until he takes a hole or draw minus points for not completing the track. Not any of this crap of calling a "dead track" and awarding plus points for faulty work. That is one of the main reasons I find Champions that won under certain formats as likely being faulty dogs that I would NEVER use in my breeding program. It is a fundamental issue and one that the guys who bash me instead of addressing the issue do not have a leg to stand on. That is why they bash me instead of addressing the issue. They are wrong and they KNOW IT.
As for UKC having 2 formats, from what I understand, there will be completely different titles awarded. So that means there is a BIG difference in the type of dogs that win. The titles will not have the same value to a lot of experianced beaglers. With PKC, the 2 different sets of rules result in the same Championship title even though one set of rules requires the rabbit to be seen, the other set of rules gives plus points for faulty dog work. IF PKC makes the dogs who Champion out under rules that favor faulty dog work have a seperate Championship title, then I would hunt PKC Beagle Hunts and try to encourage some of the local clubs to try PKC.
Boys, there is the meat on the limb, like it or not. Plus points for good dog work, minus points for faulty dog work.
Dear Hootie:
Again you prove your stupidity Idiotboy.If you just scroll over my posts how would you know if I"never" talk about the topic.Gee I thought the topic was "Professional Beagler".I addressed statements you had made concerning that topic.I showed yet again that you are both stupid and a liar so you didnt want to address those comments. You used your usual technique of ignoring the question and trying to distract the readers.See since you are to stupid to debate and discuss thats what you have to do. Kind of like how your dogs arent much so you have to throw off on everyone and always claim to be cheated.But dont worry I continue to work on my plan to get you some decent hounds so you can quit doing that.
I did throw in some questions about PKC but based on your previous posts I figured PKC and Professional beagling went together.So I dont think I strayed too far off track there Hootdoggy.I am right on your trail so I guess you are free to say I am running trash.By the way I am still waiting on my lawsuit.What seems to be the holdup there or was that yet another lie?
J.Murphy/Murphy's Kennel
Again you prove your stupidity Idiotboy.If you just scroll over my posts how would you know if I"never" talk about the topic.Gee I thought the topic was "Professional Beagler".I addressed statements you had made concerning that topic.I showed yet again that you are both stupid and a liar so you didnt want to address those comments. You used your usual technique of ignoring the question and trying to distract the readers.See since you are to stupid to debate and discuss thats what you have to do. Kind of like how your dogs arent much so you have to throw off on everyone and always claim to be cheated.But dont worry I continue to work on my plan to get you some decent hounds so you can quit doing that.
I did throw in some questions about PKC but based on your previous posts I figured PKC and Professional beagling went together.So I dont think I strayed too far off track there Hootdoggy.I am right on your trail so I guess you are free to say I am running trash.By the way I am still waiting on my lawsuit.What seems to be the holdup there or was that yet another lie?
J.Murphy/Murphy's Kennel
Still waiting on my lawsuit Hootananny!