The American Beagler Forum

ok 2 different dog have opened on scent after 3 minutes neither dog produced a rabbit and were minused....after moveing a short distance turn the dogs loose again and another dog all by hisself starts barking ,,in a few sec all dog r they and they go with it burning it up the dog that started this was easing his way out of the thick spot beofre other got there barking and makeing progress.... the JUDGE after the race was over said he couldnt give a jump to dog c we will say cause it was proably same rabbit as dog a and b had barked on..i thought hhmmmm i thought we said dead track handle and move and everything was open?? but no luck..am i missing something or do u think dog c shoulda got a jump strike???

IMO shoulda been a jump, strike.

Just strike points unless you saw the rabbit or could tell that dog c actually jumped the rabbit.In my opinion as a judge its hard to give jump points unless u see the rabbit.Just my 2 cents

I would think that when the judge tells you to handle your dogs the track is dead and all dogs must be handled and moved to another location then released together to be a fair strike and jump. I would think that the cast should have moved far beyond that area to not jump a runnin rabbit that was a loss especially if they minused dog a & b. Either that or a & b should have had + strike points but not after the judge called a dead track. They all should have moved to new location and released dogs together.

Reading your senario again though dog C should have had the strike points for they were all handled and released together in a different location, don't matter if it was the same rabbit for the dogs were handled and released per judges order.

If dog A just came out hammering by himself, and dog B and C were not around then I would give a strike jump. If dog A was pecking along and B and C were in the vicinity then I would only give strike points. This is a judgement call and there is no right or wrong. I try to give jumps when i can. If a dog lines out and I can determine that no other dog is in close proximity I will give a jump most times. Giving jumps is a touchy situation. I once received only a strike when it was a two dog cast and one dog was standing in the middle of the road with the judge when my dog jumped and lined out and ran for a full 5 minutes before the other dog ever barked once, so go fiigure.(LOL)


Big Dog

If he called Dead track handle the dogs and then moved them, strike and jump should have been back open. If the judge felt it was the same rabbit he could have given you strike points but not jump points. A strike and jump is when a dog goes into a thicket by himself and fires out on the tail of a rabbit, not striking a hot line.
What I don't understand is did he have two dogs on the clock at the same time?? Or were these dogs just both minused on two seperate occasions??

dog a had a minus we moved then dog b got a minus then dog c after we moved again went in bushes a proceeded to get the rabbit goin ...i didnt see it come out but the judge did he wass only dog there . his reason for not giveing a jump strike was he said he thought it was smae rabbit the other were trailing .....i think ifnu say is all open verything behind that is wiped out and u start fresh......but he didnt think so i guess.

if the judge called dead track on the previous two rabbits...everything should have been opened and a jump should have been given..

HEY BOYS I'VE ALWAYS SAID IF A DOG IS OF BY IT'S SELF AND STARTS RABBIT PRETTY GOOD BY ITS SELF BEFORE OTHER 4 GET THERE WHY NOT GIVE IT JUMP AFTER ALL .DOGS GET 25 FOR FINDING SAME TRACK .IF YOU GOT ARACE ALWAYS REWARD THE DOG THAT DOES THE WORK...........FREAK OF NATURE

sounds like yall need better dogs or need to give them a little longer to work out the check i dont pick my dogs up if they get into a long check and at the trials if we cant run the rabbit we jump that might mean we all need to be picked up or give them a chance to work it out feeding them rabbits at a trial is wrong unless they run it to a hole

I agree with Dogwood, a good rabbit dog is supposed to run the rabbit until it takes a hole. They need minus points for anything else. And, they don't deserve plus points until the rabbit is circled and seen. Lots of stuff leave tracks in the brush, beagles should only get plus points for rabbits.

as ajudge your always thinking your running arabbit after all they are our rabbit ..... dogs the judge very seldom sees the rabbit because your judging the dogs not the handlers alot of the handlers are not honest plus alot of time when we are hunting we never see the game just my opion........merry christmas to all and god bless.....freak of nature

as a judge i agree with dog wood i dont agree with dead track unless dogs are in danger the better dog 9 out of 10 times will strait it up and thats a rabbit dog a rabbit dog should win not a player.........freak of nature

In Little Pack, you are allowed 3 minutes to produce a rabbit if put on the clock. You can't have more time. When I grow up, maybe I'll be as good as you guys and can read a couple of posts, and be able to tell people that they need better dogs. It's Christmas, Haugh, take a day off!

redtick u r a broken record...circle and seen cirlce and seen....i am sick of seeing thaT...this was a post about lp trialing if u dont like lp just dont post on it ....we go by the rules u only have so much time if its on the clock 3 min as ted said.. and if its a breakdown as in check time that is up to judges discretion,,,,before u run somebodies dogs down maybe u need to take urs and run with them to see what they got head to head!