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Re: Results Grand Nationals

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Bradh wrote:Ok not that it matters now since the cast is over but here's how it went. Dogs were cast the judge walks down into a thick over grown swamp we hear him yelling to bring the dogs up to him we walk down in to him dog A and B are with us we get to the judge and notice dog C is not there the judge asks the handler of dog C do we want to handle dogs he says no so we walk a little more he asks again still says no 3rd time he says I think I heard him bark this way so we start walking towards the direction he says his dog is 10 mins later at the end of the swamp the judge says lets handle dogs dog A and B are real close dog C's handler says I think I hear him running so we all stand still so he can verify it is his dog. Then the judge and handler C take off through the swamp in the opposite direction of where we have been walking for 10 mins dog A and B are caught the handler of dog A yells twice at the judge as he is running away judge what do you want us to do with no reply. We start walking out to get back with them to find out what we are doing when we get to them the judge is scoring dog C in a soybean field next to a highway on property were not supposed to be on so we yell out to the judge and tell him we can't be in that field and are we supposed to turn in or what he continues to score the dog C so we turn our dogs lose for 2 mins and time is out.

I am not 100% on how arha works in situations like this I was only there to help out and guide cast. At the beginning of the cast there was a dog measured out that did not have a handler the judge was holding it on a lead strap outside of that I don't know the judge or if it was his dog but he was the only one there with it when it measured out.

I think the host club did a great job can't judge a whole hunt by one cast you aint getting rid of me that easy brookside LOL I'll see you guys in November.
Brad never met you but if it all went down as i read, what a mess.I dont judge anymore but ANYTIME i did i made the law in the field not the handlers and if i ask you all as a group too catch your dogs then thats what we did.Also i always made a point too call a time out anytime we handled, i meaning me owe your dog 1 hr in the field. People should take pride when judging handlers put in endless hrs of training. I have trialed since 89 or 90 and believe me i have see every type judge, years ago i thought if a club wanted a big 5 then the club should supply the judges, too easy to bring your own possee with ya, and give them 50 dollar handshakes. Ahh who knows? I also think the new measuring rule is kinda a sore spot .Good luck to both of you
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toldyouso wrote:This is exactly what i have been talking about for a few years now and many great people have walked away from this format. We do not have judges seminars and we do not weed out the truely cheating judges that r in my opinion far and in between. Our watch dog committee has about as much power as a marshmellow in a raging fire and r e board has no say on rule changes or how anything is run and again i say why? You all know why but everyone has blinders on no elections all appointed positions this means the upper part of the organization picks and chooses who the want and where they want them. You want people to quit protesting make them put up a fee to be heard you want protest to stop punish the cheating judges by taking there judges cards and if you want mistakes to stop then teach your judges right and wrong do not hung them from the tallest tree. Its a freaking trophy period. I have watched the same judge be protested every year for the last 7 years at the world hunt and they still let him judge why because the r concerned more about getting the hunt over with then getting it done right. We r holding the ohio state hunt oct 22 and 23 and i will tell you this if someone wants to complain about the judges thats fine but you better hold a judging card and you better be on the list to judge. Because what i will do is if you think he cheated you then HE WILL NOT JUDGE NO MORE AT THAT HUNT I DO NOT CARE IF IT TAKES A WEEK TO FINSH AND IF YOU THEN BITCH ABOUT HOW LONG IT TOOK TO GET THE HUNT OVER I WILL PROBLEY END UP BARRED FOR LIFE. GROW up and see where the real problem is. IF there is no police you will have a total mess and at least at my hunt you will have police. So be careful want you wish for because you cannot have it both ways and no i will not run and keep your dog for you because you have to go to work monday. Now how much more money do you have in this hunt. The house needs cleaned from top to bottom or it will only get worse. If Chip eisenhut steps down like he is talking about who will take care of your hall of fame stuff Joyce come on she struggled with hound of the year because it was a huge hassle. WHAT DOES FRED HAUSEMAN DO. He does not judge we have no hound of the year anymore because it was to much hassle when chips gone your hall of fame will more then likely be gone. I think when joyce and who ever else decided hound of the year was not worth the time why did they not find soneone else to do it was anyone ask. NO!!!!!!!!! Was anyone ask about the NEW mesuring rule and how much more work this puts on a club. NO!!!!!!!!! Was anyone ask how much more hassle it was going to be on clubs to write down all judges names and numbers NO!!!!!!!!!!!! Hell we cannot even get a master copy of all judges names and numbers because this would be a hassle for Mr Fred. We as clubs if done right make no personal money to run these clubs. Do you think Ron and Fred pay for there motels rooms and fuel out of there pockets. Whens the last time anyong other then Fred and ron has seen the treasurey report. Look when a clubs has to pay for a master of the hounds fuel and board why is this. Does the organization pay the judges that stay over extra days to judge even though there dogs r gone to judge no the clubs do by raising the judges pay not at this state hunt. All judges will make 20 dollars a cast no more no less all rounds and we will not beg you to judge sign up at the table 1 judge or two when its time to go we will roll with what we have. If the organization does not step up or step down i will not bust my ass no more.
Guess i will stick my neck out I think Fred and Ron have done a pretty good job in growing the org.Maybe they could use some help as it has blossomed over time but make no mistake about it they have got the arha too this point its just a matter of where we go from here.
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Mr McGrady has been talked to many times in Michigan about his judging has not been judging due to Master of hounds not allowing him to for almost a year. We have discussed our concerns with him. I have also talked with NKC and they said it is up to Master of Hounds and I as State Rep and they decided as much as we need judges that some decisions just have to be made to better the sport. Also offered to help him with bad habbits and work with him on his judging but he turned down all help offered
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golden acres wrote:Mr McGrady has been talked to many times in Michigan about his judging has not been judging due to Master of hounds not allowing him to for almost a year. We have discussed our concerns with him. I have also talked with NKC and they said it is up to Master of Hounds and I as State Rep and they decided as much as we need judges that some decisions just have to be made to better the sport. Also offered to help him with bad habbits and work with him on his judging but he turned down all help offered
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yes sir he was youth judged of 2009 and i for one nominated him. Things change due to different pathes we take and i believe he has chosen the wrong path.
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I do not disagree with you Fred and Ron have done a great job with ARHA but can we honestly say that we r better now then we were 5 years ago NO!!!!!!!! we can not. Mike Jordon did a great job for the NBA when he was a chicago bull but what did he do when he was a washington wizard. Mike tyson did a great job for the boxing association but what did he do when he came out of prison oh yea bite a another mans ear off. All i am saying is the changes that the have made in the last 7 years or so have not benifitted the overall organization period. Why have we not had elections of these positions use to be u was nominated for Freds position and Rons position watch dog and e board now they r appointted. The question is WHY? We all know the answer Wake America LOL. So no i do not argue that I just believe its time for new blood and ideas or at least back up and do it like we use to why do we not have elections anymore. And if we did and they were put back into there positions then and only then i would shut up. What r they afraid of? Can we at least agree on that?

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