AKC measuring at Jessamine Co.

[old blood beagles]

No dogs were targeted, no person was targeted. AKC did this because there has been a problem with oversized dogs running in the wrong class.

[Tim H]

I dont run AKC and have not spoken to Danny Vansickle more than just in passing at some ARHA trials here and there but to think that AKC reps would just show up randomly and measure only the little males at this hunt and say that they werent targeting a certain dog or person seems pretty hard for me to believe. After all the stink that has been raised whether warranted or not the facts are pretty obvious that this dog was being targeted and made an example out of.

Gabe Miskimen

No one could have been singled out or picked on if their dog was actually a 13" dog running in the 13" class. That's kinda like the speeder who get's pulled over doing 80mph in a 60mph zone and saying, why are you picking on me when there are a bunch of other drivers out here speeding? If he wasn't going 80mph, he wouldn't have been pulled over.

I posted this before. It just sounds like the lawbreaker saying "Those coppers just had it out for me." If you weren't breaking the rules in the first place they couldn't get you for anything.

[wildhare2]

[Chief Long Hair]

I only wish I was there to see it!!!

[THALL]

The reps have a lot of work to do. It will be unjust if they stop in Kentucky.

[THALL]

I only wish I was there to see it!!!

Just a fly on the wall!

[old blood beagles]

Guys the reps started measuring the official dogs before they ran but we are forgetting the dogs that went over in the winners pack. The judges also did a great job on not letting the bigger males go on. I joined this club this weekend because of the people and how things are being ran and I believe if you want the numbers to increase in your clubs get good honest judges. Like I said before my dog did not make it to the winners pack and if I was judgeing him today he would not have made it. I have a few friends that have good hounds and I will tell them about this club. Thanks Jeff and Jamie for a job well done.

[les guynn]

I have got to say that one of these so called beagle men trial runners always seems to think that every one is after him, no dout they might be because he keeps running his mouth and draws attention, so why wouldn't they watch him he has something to say about every thing that don't go his way, now he has told everyone his dog was to big in the first place, so Danny, quit complaning all the time and run your dogs in the class that you know they belong. GOD BLESS

[Bev]

u all know what im talking about. look at beagle on fox . suppose to b 15 in. some 20 in amen. i have aquestion if dog goes over 15 in can it b leaglly A K C registerd?

You might look into this a bit before you cast dispersions. Beagle on Fox in the U.S. does not have a 15" height limit. It' 17". Canada's Beagle on Fox trials have a 15" limit, and they strictly enforce it. Beagle on Fox is not registry sanctioned. It is several associations of beaglers, and they set their own standards based on game. In Canada they run nothing but red fox, and many of those hounds also run hare trials, so 15" works just fine. In the U.S. most of the fox pens also have coyote in them. Bigger animal, whole different ball game. Even still, at the Beagle on Fox trials I have attended in the States, there are 14" and 15" dogs running in those packs, too. They aren't all 17". The U.S. Fox Beagles must be AKC registered. AKC won't refuse registration because most dogs are registered shortly after birth. How can they know how tall the dog will be when it's grown? They can refuse to let the 17" beagle run in the field trials they sanction/license. They may be out of standard by height, but if they're purebred, they're purebred. Brace dogs are a bit out of standard, too, but they are AKC registered.

[BuschBound]

THALL WROTE:

The reps have a lot of work to do. It will be unjust if they stop in Kentucky.

- I agree!!!

I really hope they continue this throughout every Assoication. I Know they won't measure all classes at an event but I sure wish they would get into a habit of doing so just so some of these clubs get the point. Also yeah, they only measure a few in SPO. I don't agree with only measuring a few of the Offical Measured dogs but they should do the whole class.. Every dog that is to be measured for that day should be measured by an AKC rep. This should include Large Pack as well. EVERY DOG! If they can't stay the whole weekend well the following weekend maybe another class.

If a dog owner was told before he or she measured a dog- Every dog that is measured in this class by an AKC reps The dog gets a one time drop for an Offical Measure card how many would do it???? I bet not many. But I think If an AKC rep is there doing the measuring atleast offer it to beaglers that would want it. Maybe this would change some others minds.. Like the ones that know they should be in the other class..

Six to twelve months from now, what is going to happen? Guys will start to bring thier derbies out and a guess what they are 13 1/2 and 15 3/4. AKC is not around again.. ALL GUYS KNOW WHAT THEY ARE RUNNING. RUN IN THE CLASS YOU BELONG. we have all made mistakes. DO THE RIGHT THING... Run it in the class it belongs. Not the one you think it should be in but the one the meausring staff and the the rule book says it should be in.

[bigdogpace]

thanks bev 4 answering my ? but it looks like if its over after maturity it should b revolked or something for not meeting the stanard. im not trying to cause trouble i got some 16 @ 16 plus my self . but if u going to measure lets do it right. oh and u dont need to go to beagle on fox n south there r no 15 in. national was held 1 mile from myy home . i know !!!!!!!!!dont get me wrong i run bigdogs. they either dont need to b register over 16 . or change standard.if akc checks dna on my 17 in male will he b not allowed to stud because of size? somebody has opened awhole lot of concerns 4 me.

[ncbeagler]

Oddily enough some talk too much to the point they have incriminated themselves and others on this post or previous ones. Trust once lost is hard to regain even more being involved in one the worst scandals in AKC history compounds matters.You can not put a price tag on INTEGRITY or TRUST. My hats off to AKC and as BUSCHBOUND says maybe things will be fair for the honest beagler and entries will get back up.The good ole boy system had been exposed and crime did not pay. I encouarage clubs not to use judges known to be involved in trials where suspicious activities has occurred.You can tell the difference of whiners from the shiners that stand out and have stood out. What you think you can get away with you better think twice.AKC should be also informed of other obivious flagorant issues you see also.If you do it right you may make a mistake but if you do it honestily and know what your doing it should be minimal mistakes.Marked lines don't lie.Assumptions can be hit or miss.If you don't have the experience or are not honest stay at home.Beagling isn't about an ego trip but about friendily competition to create a better hunting dog note HUNTING!

[mybeagles]

Jessamine County used to run 250-300 dogs for the weekend. It used to be referred to as the super bowl of beagling. I took the 9 hour drive one year just to watch a class of 85 big males. If the integrity returns to the sport, I think this could become the great event it used to be. Thats something to talk about when your hound comes out on top of 75+ hounds.

Tim H,

You had the same thought I had: Cant be singled out or picked on if your playing by the rules. "Everybody else is doing it", earned me TWO spankings when I
was growing up because that meant I knew better and did it anyway.

Mybeagles

[tandd]

Did the two dogs that got measured out before the winners pack get official 15" inch cards too? If not, why not?
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[S.R.Patch]

I didn't see it and ain't read all these post but, you can't lift a hound up on it's toes for a measurement. A hound can be lifed and set back down to get it's legs under it, but then the hand must be removed to let the hound stand in a natrual stance.
I think the rules in the trial game should be obeyed and i think the biggest complement one could be paid is if the crowd wants your hound out of competition if your playing within the rules...
AKC almost let the brace dog ruin the beagle so don't sweat it, just make sure you keep breeding rabbit dawgs...jmho