Results Grand Nationals

[Brooksidebeagler]

I have not defended the judge in any post I have however tried to give you different senerios of what could have happened when the judge took off running. I did defend the club & the way the hunt was run. Come to our club whenever you want stay away if you want I don't care. I don't know the judge in this situation any better than I know you which is not at all I only know the name. The only reason that I even posted in reply was that the club was attacked in an earlier post not even made by you, you just piled on.
Enjoy running dogs & good luck in all your future trialing experiences sorry that you had a bad experience at a hunt that was held at our club.

[JCM]

I think Ivan, Greg, Adam and all the people involved did a great job running this hunt. It is unfortunate that two young judges, one being McGrady caused so many hard feelings at this hunt. I don't think it is fair that the club, or the guys putting on the hunt get blamed.

I sure don't know what the answer is, but I can definitely relate to the frustration of having this judge. Unfortunately, it comes back to the problem clubs face at every hunt--there are never enough judges. Two young guys judged at least 12 casts between them. Who knows how many times they got it right. Without that help the hunt would have probably went through late Monday. Maybe that would have been better.

[fchbeagles]

i know everyone wants to get done asap, but us as beaglers have a lot of time and money involved in getting ready for these hunts and going to these hunts,i would like to see two judges on every cast in the big 5 hunts even if it took another day.

[Bobby Vest]

It's a shame when you have young guys wanting to judge and something like this happens. They would probably wind up making great judges if they could split up and both of them judge with some of the really good experienced judges. I feel like the clubs should put forth more effort to see that the young guys are trained like this. It's just like an old dog running with a pup. The old dog teaches them how to not make mistakes. I have seen some of the young judges try hard to do a good job but they just don't know what they are doing. If you have young guys that can do the job try to make sure they are put with a more experienced judges and you will see them turn into great judges.

[Brooksidebeagler]

In a perfect world we would have 2 or 3 judges to go out on every cast. The fact is we don't have enough people who are willing to judge & I believe part of that is the fact that if a call is made that a handler does not agree with or if a judge gets hung up in the briars & misses something everyone is more than willing to throw them under the bus & call them a cheater. Trust me I know there are judges out there that cheat but not every cast that a handler does not agree with the call made means that the judge was cheating. Stop & think about it it sounds like we are over run with crooks now come on you all know that is not true the good people in the world of beagles way out way the bad but the only ones we hear about are the bad. If we are over run by crooked judges I would like all of the "honest" people who do not judge step up & judge acouple of rounds it's not that easy of a job

JCM, both casts that were talked about on here were judged by the same judge. If there is someone else that is being accused of cheating please call me 330-231-8194 I would like to know what happened. Since this hunt I have heard quite a few things about the judge mentioned on here I am trying to find out what is actually true if & when I can get any hard facts I will report them to the E-board (not saying it will help but atleast they were warned) because from what I have been told they were unware of the issue.

[JCM]

I don't know that anyone was cheating. I just think there were a couple of young judges that come back from every cast with a scorecard that looks like it is from a different cast.

Let me say again, I think this club did a great job with the hunt. This problem is a lot bigger than one hunt. It seems like finding enough judges is tough at almost all hunts.

[Bobby Vest]

I personally haven't seen what I thought was cheating in the ARHA for a long time. I have been on casts where the judge did everything humanly possible to stay up and just couldn't do it. The cover this year is a thick as I have ever seen it. I have seen casts where the judges were within 10 to 20ft. of the checks and they couldn't see it. I went to the Diabetes hunt and we were lucky to get out 5 or 6 casts a round. I saw Chad Cordell do as good a job of judging a cast in the thick stuff as I have ever seen any one do. There was some mouthing going on by a couple dogs in the cast and he figured it out and brought back the best dog for the hour and no I wasn't the winner because I lost by a check to a good dog. I still think young and inexperienced judges should be partnered with judges that the club knows are good and they will soon be good judges. One thing I would like to add is I have seen judges get offended right off the bat if a handler wanted to ask them a question. I think any handler has the right to ask a question at any time as long as he shows the judge respect. A question does not mean he is calling the judge a liar. The judge should give an answer with respect to the handler because respect is a two way street. Then if there is a problem then take it to the master of hounds.

[toldyouso]

This is exactly what i have been talking about for a few years now and many great people have walked away from this format. We do not have judges seminars and we do not weed out the truely cheating judges that r in my opinion far and in between. Our watch dog committee has about as much power as a marshmellow in a raging fire and r e board has no say on rule changes or how anything is run and again i say why? You all know why but everyone has blinders on no elections all appointed positions this means the upper part of the organization picks and chooses who the want and where they want them. You want people to quit protesting make them put up a fee to be heard you want protest to stop punish the cheating judges by taking there judges cards and if you want mistakes to stop then teach your judges right and wrong do not hung them from the tallest tree. Its a freaking trophy period. I have watched the same judge be protested every year for the last 7 years at the world hunt and they still let him judge why because the r concerned more about getting the hunt over with then getting it done right. We r holding the ohio state hunt oct 22 and 23 and i will tell you this if someone wants to complain about the judges thats fine but you better hold a judging card and you better be on the list to judge. Because what i will do is if you think he cheated you then HE WILL NOT JUDGE NO MORE AT THAT HUNT I DO NOT CARE IF IT TAKES A WEEK TO FINSH AND IF YOU THEN BITCH ABOUT HOW LONG IT TOOK TO GET THE HUNT OVER I WILL PROBLEY END UP BARRED FOR LIFE. GROW up and see where the real problem is. IF there is no police you will have a total mess and at least at my hunt you will have police. So be careful want you wish for because you cannot have it both ways and no i will not run and keep your dog for you because you have to go to work monday. Now how much more money do you have in this hunt. The house needs cleaned from top to bottom or it will only get worse. If Chip eisenhut steps down like he is talking about who will take care of your hall of fame stuff Joyce come on she struggled with hound of the year because it was a huge hassle. WHAT DOES FRED HAUSEMAN DO. He does not judge we have no hound of the year anymore because it was to much hassle when chips gone your hall of fame will more then likely be gone. I think when joyce and who ever else decided hound of the year was not worth the time why did they not find soneone else to do it was anyone ask. NO!!!!!!!!! Was anyone ask about the NEW mesuring rule and how much more work this puts on a club. NO!!!!!!!!! Was anyone ask how much more hassle it was going to be on clubs to write down all judges names and numbers NO!!!!!!!!!!!! Hell we cannot even get a master copy of all judges names and numbers because this would be a hassle for Mr Fred. We as clubs if done right make no personal money to run these clubs. Do you think Ron and Fred pay for there motels rooms and fuel out of there pockets. Whens the last time anyong other then Fred and ron has seen the treasurey report. Look when a clubs has to pay for a master of the hounds fuel and board why is this. Does the organization pay the judges that stay over extra days to judge even though there dogs r gone to judge no the clubs do by raising the judges pay not at this state hunt. All judges will make 20 dollars a cast no more no less all rounds and we will not beg you to judge sign up at the table 1 judge or two when its time to go we will roll with what we have. If the organization does not step up or step down i will not bust my ass no more.

[foxxy]

to get a master list of judges and numbers call arha she will get one in the male we get one every 6 months

[a-dog]

Pictures from the Grand Nationals....

[EMeade III]

B+

[fchbeagles]

the guy in the last photo with the orange hoodie judged my cast and did a fine job

[toldyouso]

Thanks earl

[art]

hey fch. thx for the comment i tried my best . i think i did miss one check down in the bottom.

[Vicious Kennels]

frank you hit it on the head thank you. The grand nationals will be our last little pack hunt to much bull---- for me never been to a hunt with so much complaining guess it didn't help that nobody went to the ukc worlds this year.