AKC measuring at Jessamine Co.

[wildcatfan0309]

danny
i think this will work out better for you anyway
any body that has ever seen a true 13 inch dog and then a true 15 inch dog can easiely see that bandit is right in the middle
at about what they measured him at . you can look at his pics thats no secret
just try to think of this as being a help to bandit
ive judged bandit in arha lp and would feed him anyday a true rabbit dog
but you know as well as i do as soon as you made him a fc in lil males (which im sure he would have) that all every body would say is he was oversized and shouldnt have been run in the lil males and that any big dog could do it. because ive heard it all ready
Now this way you can do it in the 15 inch and no body can say a thing
cant do nothing but earn him and you more respect
good luck danny

[old blood beagles]

main event that is absolutly wrong. You have to sign your name along with your dogs name to enter into a field trial. You say that your dog belongs in that format and when you know that your dog is over, you should have enough respect for the judges, the clubs, and the other people at the trial to say my dog is over. Or you should premeasure your dog before you even sign up if you are not for sure. Dont put the blame on the judges or the people that measured that dog, the blame belongs to the man that entered him.

[main event`s beagles]

bev come on there is only one way to to place in a trial is qualifying by a judges measure point blank. there is no other way. in small pack option you are measured by pre measure and the measuring of the winners pack.

large pack measured before you even run.

you cannot run unless you get the go ahead from the judges responsible either that day or the ones who officialed the dog.

it`s not naive it`s plain as day. the judges determine your dogs height bottom line

[danny vansickle]

owners dont allow these dogs to run. THE JUDGES DO

I have to disagree with this. The owners DO allow oversized dogs to run. To think otherwise would be naive. Judges indeed have a responsibility to measure a dog into the proper class, and owners have a responsibility to their fellow beaglers to beat them or lose to them fairly. To not put any onus on the dog owner in this is like calling the thief innocent because the door wasn't locked.

BY THE WAY,I DID RUN BADIT IN 2 15 IN MALE HUNTS 2 YEARS AGO,WHEN THEY MEASURED HIM IN THE WINNERS PACK HE WAS 13 1/8 AT JACKSON AND 13 1/2 AT CENTRAL,I CALL THAT A BORDERLINE 13.........

So you knew 2 years ago Bandit belonged in the 15" class? There is no borderline, IMO. If they are 13-1/8, they are over. You can't be mad at the judges or other beaglers who don't want him in the 13" class. They're in the right.

WHY TAKEA CHANCE OF RUNNIN THE 15 AND THEN HIM MEASHURE 13 AND GET SENT HOME,I PRODUCE A DOG,THE JUDGE OFFICIALED HIM IN TO THE 13 CLASS,THE REPS FLEXED THIER MUSCLES,NOW HE HAS TO RUN 15,SO WHAT,HE IS BORDERLINE,THAT IS WHY WE GET OFFICIAL CARDS,IF THEY WOULD HAVE OFFICILED HIMA T 13 3/8 AND 13 1/8,I WOUL;D HAVE RAN HIM 15,I JUST RAN WHERE I WAS TOLD TO,HOW WAS I IN THE WRONG?

danny
i think this will work out better for you anyway
any body that has ever seen a true 13 inch dog and then a true 15 inch dog can easiely see that bandit is right in the middle
at about what they measured him at . you can look at his pics thats no secret
just try to think of this as being a help to bandit
ive judged bandit in arha lp and would feed him anyday a true rabbit dog
but you know as well as i do as soon as you made him a fc in lil males (which im sure he would have) that all every body would say is he was oversized and shouldnt have been run in the lil males and that any big dog could do it. because ive heard it all ready
Now this way you can do it in the 15 inch and no body can say a thing
cant do nothing but earn him and you more respect
good luck danny

YOUR RIGHT JOSH,BUT I GURANTEE YA,AS SOON AS I FINISH HIM IN THE 15 CLASS THEN THEY WILL FIND ANOTHER REASON TO BITCH,EVERYONE HATES A WINNER WHEN YOUR LOOSIN TO HIM,THAT IS WHAT GOT BANDIT ALL THIS SLACK LATELY,HE WAS WINNING,NO ONE BITCHED WHEN HE WAS LOOSING,AM I RIGHT?

[main event`s beagles]

old blood we run in classes not formats

so tell me you signing your name gets you in? wrong you are measured thats your ticket

[old blood beagles]

Danny nobody is saying anything bad about your dog. We are not bad mouthing your dog. We are not bad mouthing you. I have ran dogs for over 20 years and just now started in the trials and I am going to do it the right way. If I have a 13 1/2 dog he will run in the 15 class. If I have a 13 or below dog I will run him in the 13 class. You had a dog measure over 14 inches. You just stated that this dog has measured over 13 several times. This is not a borderline dog, this dog belongs in the 15 inch class. There is nothing wrong with your dog for measuring what it did, what is wrong was running him in the wrong class. As far as the other guys that had their cards removed also, it just shows how bad the 13 inch class has become. You say numbers will be down because of what has happened, I say numbers will go up because people that did not want to trial because they did not get a fair race will start running again.

[Bev]

Okay, Danny. I'm not gonna argue with you. It was all about you. And your dog. And it's all this board's fault.

Main event, if a dog was pre-measured in SPO in the morning, he is not to be measured in the winners pack. A judge is not allowed to measure the same dog twice in one day.

[main event`s beagles]

we all just want a level playing field

bev you are right about not measuring twice in a day.

some dogs are taught and scolded for standing.

this is an alarm to everyone one in beagling.

[Tim H]

I find it ironic that you used the fact that there were Reps there when your dog was officialed into the 13" as some kind of validation that the dog was measured right, yet when the Reps actually do the measuring they didn't do it right. 14 1/2" is not a borderline 13". They did not add an inch and a half to that dog, it was already over. The judges who measured that dog before should think long and hard about how to properly measure a dog.

[jar242]

How is a squatting dog a natural stance ?? Sounds like nothing more that trying to circumvent the rules, people like that in every format and organization is what is killing trialing, I can't stand going to trials because you have people always trying to do things to get an advantage instead of just hunting the dogs and having fun. It's not just 13/15 classes, hell some dogs I've seen in UKC look like coon dogs and this type of thing is no different. All of these people out here will do whatever they can to get titles just to collect stud fees and overcharge for pups.

[deerkiller64]

Two thirds of Wild Hair Kennels is present and we approve of this message, er "measurement". We also believe the missing third, (he is sleeping now), approves of this as well.

[River Valley Beagles]

This is funny. One being that Danny's dog, from just looking, is at least no shorter than 14-1/4". Two, being that someone hasn't cut him off this website-and I hope they don't because I love to see what kind of stupid stuff he'll put on here. And three, being that no one realizes that if you beat people that have given away just as good of hounds as Bandit because they were 13-1/2", have trialed in AKC for 20 years AND know the reps, that you thought this wasn't going to happen for some odd reason?
And just for the record, I don't care what size hound is ran against me. I'd rather see them measure brains. And from what little I've seen from running with Bandit, he has a head full of brains.

[bigdogpace]

hope thesesame reps dont go to the national large pack or northern michigan or alot of other trials i know .would b some sad famous people i know n beagling world. i think standard needs to b changed anyway dogs have changed larger now better feed when standard was set. u all know what im talking about. look at beagle on fox . suppose to b 15 in. some 20 in amen. i have aquestion if dog goes over 15 in can it b leaglly A K C registerd?

[bucks better beagles]

I really hesitate to enter this discussion but I think that this is important to the sport.

Coincidence? No of course not. Rarely does a "coincidence" of this nature just happen. This being said, some 50 years ago, I tried the trialing circuit. I thought I had a pretty good dog, although, very small. I was young and ignorant to the sport. I found out real quick that the dog was important but politics was also. Part of the politics was the size of the dogs in casts. It was disappointing to the point that I gave it up because I was not willing to do what had to be done to win. No, this is not a whine. My dog took his share but there seemed to be a dark underbelly to the game.

I saw dogs that would easily over measure, entered and win. I know of field champions that were made so because money changed hands. This I know for fact. No, I will not give names. It doesn't matter anymore. It was a long time ago.

I encourage all of you young folks to adhere to the rules and encourage other people to do so. You will bring more people to the sport, a lot more.

Bob-Michigan

[Aaron Bartlett]

I received a phone call this evening from an officer of the JESSAMINE COUNTY BEAGLE CLUB (that is not a registered user of this board) and they asked me to post on here that they were very happy with the results of all the events that took place this weekend concerning the AKC reps and the measuring of the dogs. They said that some posts that were being made on here made it sound as if the club did not agree with what had happened and they wanted it known that this was not the case.


Danny,
I have never seen your dog in person but from looking at photo's it is very clear to me that your dog clearly belongs in the 15" class and is by no means boarderline. You stated that the AKC had told you that the matter had been resolved. It probably was resolved but any dog that is permantly measured can always be subject to measuring from a AKC Rep at any time and that card can be pulled at any time.
I also dont feel that the AKC or anyone else for that matter was singling you or your dog out. I have been hearing alot of talk lately of clubs asking the AKC if they can refuse entries for dogs that are clearly running in the wrong class becuase they felt it was hurting thier numbers in the 13" classes. I think the oversize issue extends alot farther than you or your dog. I feel this problem has been festering for some time and it just came to a head this weekend. I doubt this will be the last of permant measured cards getting pulled.