who promotes the best all around RABBIT DAWG?????

[Nor' Easter]

Big Dog, I had a female that ran 50-100 yards ahead of the pack, and the pack ran the same hare as her for an hour or more. Shifted to another hare and the same thing.Won that trial. Also got picked up because she was so far ahead that the rest of the pack would take thier own hare and they had to judge the "Pack" as in the book. She needed 2 points to finish after 5-6 trials, but cut her ear in a fight. Year later in her first trial she got first place. Ran like this pretty much every time, if not every time.
Deal is some judges love fast hard hitting and love to watch a truely dominant dog and others don't like it or can't see it.
I hunt the faster type of dogs and bag a ton of hare, so these dogs CAN flat run a hare like there tied to it. I think some guys down your way must have a lack of rabbits/hare and maybe don't hunt thier hounds, but up here with so many hare thge woods are full of us all winter.
If the rest of the pack was close enough they would be able to get the check that she might over run a bit, but she would be back and have gotten it herself before the pack even got 50-100 feet to the check. Amazing to watch, she would even stop to lay in a puddle if the hare crossed the road and when she seen the dogs getting close she would jump up and take the line where she left off and be gone. FTCH Fillmore's Pepper Sly Hunter "Jenny" There are quite a few that seen her go. Looking for another one, but the hare are hard to shoot when they're running for thier life!

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Bigdog,
If you have never have seen dogs drug in a pack you may want to watch Mapel Valley Remember Retta or Chad greys
Bumper To Bumper.Ever see Swartz Bigtime? Bruners big ben? Any means nessary to the front they go. Bumper runs thru the pack and keeps on trucking .On a scale to 10 he is a 12....

[Pine Mt Beagles]

HEY JIMBO
YOU TRYING TO START TROUBLE AGAIN,MY FIRST THOUGHT IS WHAT IS A RABBIT DOG AND NO (2)PEOPLE ON THIS POST WILL AGREE 100% BUT TO THE QUESTION I HAVE RAN LITTLE PACK A LOT MID-WEST SOME WATCHED A FEW PP,HUNTS.AND UKC,AND A FEW BRACE DOG TRIALS YEARS AGO. FIRST OF ALL MID WEST AND LP RUN THE SAME DOG ,I KNOW WHAT YOUR THINKING HE'S CRAZY I ALREADY KNOW THAT, BUT LOOK AT THE BLOODINES,,, THEY ARE BASICALLY THE SAME ,IN BOTH MID-WEST AND LITTLE PACK, EVEN SOME PP. AND LARGE PACK, UP NORTH ALSO RUNS A LOT OF THE SAME BLOOD .YOU WILL, FIND A RABBIT HOUND IN ALL OF THEM" NOW AGAIN, BUT NONE, OF THEM PROMOTE A CONSISTANTLY TRUE RABBIT DOG. AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO, WITH THE HOUND'S BLOOD LINE ,TRAINING ETC.THERE IS ONE THING THAT REMAINS THE SAME IN ALL OF THESE FORMATS NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO . JUDGING I'M NOT SAYING BAD JUDGING OR CROOKED JUDGES, JUST PEOPLE BEING PEOPLE AND JUDGING PERIOD.THEY SEE WHAT THEY SEE,, AND,, THIS NOT THE HOUND , FORMAT OR RULES WILL EVER CHANGE IT, AND THIS IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE BASE THEIR DECISION'S ON.IF A HOUND MAKES CH.-LPRCH-.PPCH-.LPFC.IFC.THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT....... I HAVE SAW SOME SUPER FINE HOUNDS IN, AND FROM, ALL THESE FORMAT'S,,,,,BUT I WOULD NOT SAY A HOUND FROM ANY OF THEM ,IS A TRUE RABIT HOUND,,JUST BECAUSE OF A BIG TITLE,,,,,, UNLESS I SAW IT FOR MYSELF NO I AM NOT BASHING THE AKC TRIAL'S OR NKC HUNT'S OR ANY TYPE OF JUDGING" I 'AM JUST SAYING PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE,,,,, I LIKE ALL OF THE AKC TRIALS ,AND NKC HUNT'S OR MOST ANY THING TO DO WITH THE BEAGLE BREED,I LOVE TO WATCH THE AKC,,BEAGLE SHOWS,ALSO,, WHICH IS HARDLY EVER MENTIONED,, MY ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS NONE OF THE ABOVE ------ANYWAY GOOD LUCK AND---

KEEP'EM RUNNING
PINE MT BEAGLES

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

No rufe not bashing just making small talk.

[danny vansickle]

guys,i am not asking wich format has the best rabbit dogs,the question is,wich formats rules and point systems promotes the best rabbit dog?


my opinion of a true rabbit hound is a dog that runs the rabbit,the line,does it with least amount of losses,when it does loose it,it shuts its mouth until it reclaims the line and drives out,it doesn't swong around th brush,it runs through it.

[briarshakersdaddy]

Bout say's it all Danny

[Matt Glomski]

my opinion of a true rabbit hound is a dog that runs the rabbit,the line,does it with least amount of losses,when it does loose it,it shuts its mouth until it reclaims the line and drives out,it doesn't swong around th brush,it runs through it.

That is all nice and I like that too, but my opinion of a true and most valuable rabbit hound is one that will go FIND you a rabbit to run(not in a honey hole). Field trials put you in rabbits ( ya I know sometimes you can get sent to a "bad" spot) but most of the time we are in rabbits and run rabbits the whole cast. You take a REAL RABBIT dog and you can go to the state land that is hunted to death and that most packs can not jump but one or two in a day and with that REAL RABBIT DOG you will find rabbits and lots of rabbits. No field trial can test that type of dog. I hear all the time "my dog has hunt" "my dog has drive". How does your dog act after a half dozzen hard races of dead rabbits???? Does he/she go find another rabbit to run (on its own?)??? Field trials can not measure that. I have seen to many TITLED dogs not care to go find another rabbit after it has been shot. If you wouldnt have shot it sure that dog would keep running and still look like it had "drive". Good dogs do win trials but the best of the best under the gun may not even be a champion.

Go find me a rabbit!!!!!!!! Then run it like danny said!!!!

[kentucky mobster 08]

which one promotes a better dogs.to me it how you look at it.little pack it take more to become a grand than what it takes to become a fc.
everyone said that lp there to much cheating so a grand lp ch dont mean nothing.
what about akc they got different classes 13 and 15 .how many 14 to 14/ 1/2 dogs runs with 13" class or a 15 1/2 or better runs in the 15"class.you cant protest because they pay some judge off to get them a official measurement.at least in lp the handler got the right to protest that dog.there is cheating in lp and in every format,from nascar to baseball you got some guy or gal who would cheat in a heart beat
so you cant base it on the akc or nkc etc..you got to base it on what you like in a dog.do you want a dog to hunt close or stay away from you.if you dont hunt your dogs what are you promoting.

[Matt Glomski]

Oh, one more thing

A rabbit dog does NOT run TRASH!!!!!!!!!! No matter what!!!!!!!!!

[kentucky mobster 08]

Oh, one more thing

A rabbit dog does NOT run TRASH!!!!!!!!!! No matter what!!!!!!!!!

does akc hold running off game against a dog.just wondering

[danny vansickle]

which one promotes a better dogs.to me it how you look at it.little pack it take more to become a grand than what it takes to become a fc.
everyone said that lp there to much cheating so a grand lp ch dont mean nothing.
what about akc they got different classes 13 and 15 .how many 14 to 14/ 1/2 dogs runs with 13" class or a 15 1/2 or better runs in the 15"class.you cant protest because they pay some judge off to get them a official measurement.at least in lp the handler got the right to protest that dog.there is cheating in lp and in every format,from nascar to baseball you got some guy or gal who would cheat in a heart beat
so you cant base it on the akc or nkc etc..you got to base it on what you like in a dog.do you want a dog to hunt close or stay away from you.if you dont hunt your dogs what are you promoting.

ok,first of all,this is not a discussion on wich title is harder to obtain,or cheating,size or anything,it is a simple question,wich formats rules and point systems are set up to promote the better rabbit hound...........

anmswer me this eric,do you know what it takes to become a fc in akc??????

a dog must have three liscenced wins and 120 points,unlike lp,akc awards champion points different,in lp,you can go to a 10 dog hunt,win it and your dog gets 40 points.......

in akc,if you win a 10 dog hunt,you get 10 points........


as for the comment about official measurement,even if a dog is official measured,it can be challenged with the home office..........

anyway,like i said,the topic wan not about wich champion title means the most,measurements and/or cheating,but,it seems to always come up,i think people should try to run a format before they go bashing it,wich brings me to this question............

have you ever attended an liscenced akc trial??????

[wildcatfan0309]

Oh, one more thing

A rabbit dog does NOT run TRASH!!!!!!!!!! No matter what!!!!!!!!!

forgot about that
"a rabbit dog does not run trash"
so in my opinon
akc mid west would most defintley not be the one that promotes the best rabbit dog
i entered a dog i had once in a large pack akc trial
and over half the pack left on a deer and nothing was said but find them and put them back in
any ways i seen my dog do some good work and he came back on the deer race
and was picked up on the first cut
and i seen a dog get to stay that people was laughing at because it was about 12 inches tall and this was the 15 inch male class and it was so wormy it done good to follow the dogs it wasnt barking tracking or hunting it was just there
and dogs placed that was gone for a hour on the deer race
but i will have to say the best dog one that day
and i also know that this was a large pack not a mid west
not bashing
just stating what happened

[fastnfuriouskennel]

The best all around dogs for rabbit hounds are gun hunters dogs, if they don't listen they dont stay! If they don't hunt, Gone! If they run off game, they don't make it back to the truck! I dont think it is any format, a rabbit dog is a rabbit dog- PERIOD! It would win in any format!

[danny vansickle]

now,i will agree with ya on that point,if a dog runs a deer,i think it should be disqualified,picked up,whatever,i never have understood that part of akc,that has me baffled right there........

[wildcatfan0309]

yeah thats my biggest problem with it