Which is harder to accomplish IFC or World Hunt Winner

[JUDE]

IFC = USA FC & Canadian FC many hunts under different judges and conditions .

World Hunt = 1 hunt and on any given day can be done by any decent hound or
maybe even a not so decent hound (although) I consider it an honor either way .

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[deadeyebeagle]

[mike crabtree]

IFC = USA FC & Canadian FC many hunts under different judges and conditions .

World Hunt = 1 hunt and on any given day can be done by any decent hound or
maybe even a not so decent hound (although) I consider it an honor either way .

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How did you come up with a not even Decent dog being able to win the World Hunt???

How many World Hunt Winners have you saw run?? Or how many wWorld Hunts have you been to to see what the running is like? It aint like what you are used to seeing 1 or 2 rabbits in 3 casts. In Indiana they pound most of the time.
I dont believe a Not So Decent Hound could ever get lucky enuff to win 3-5 rounds under different judges to win it all. In the Finals the competition is so Tuff it is unbelieveable.

[Joeyman]

I believe winning the world hunt is something special. Even though I've never been to the world hunt nor saw 700 dogs tied out all at once. Which i think I'd get a big kick out of. But from what I've read I think it has to mean something. And making IFC has to be just as hard. Both are great and both are hard to win I would have to say.

I was going to question this thread which would you rather bred to a IFC or a world hunt winner but I didn't.

[Steve Mikkelson]

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[Steve Mikkelson]

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[Nummer's Beagles]

All i know is if you make it through the first round at the world hunt , you can tell a difference in the competition. the second round is a feat in its self to get through, let alone win it. i myself think it takes a lot of luck and hardwork to win the world, and a hound with endless bottom, cuz it is some flat out hard running in lynnville indiana. Now ifc i dont know much about.

[Steve Mikkelson]

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[J.C. Blair]

IFC = USA FC & Canadian FC many hunts under different judges and conditions .

World Hunt = 1 hunt and on any given day can be done by any decent hound or
maybe even a not so decent hound (although) I consider it an honor either way .

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How did you come up with a not even Decent dog being able to win the World Hunt???

How many World Hunt Winners have you saw run?? Or how many wWorld Hunts have you been to to see what the running is like? It aint like what you are used to seeing 1 or 2 rabbits in 3 casts. In Indiana they pound most of the time.
I dont believe a Not So Decent Hound could ever get lucky enuff to win 3-5 rounds under different judges to win it all. In the Finals the competition is so Tuff it is unbelieveable.

Jude, you just have to witness the competition level up at the world. My advice would be to get out of Martin County every once in a while and check out what you're packing against the decent, soso dogs we all pack. YES, there are some dogs that you wonder why anyone would even bring to a hunt of that level, or even question how it even got a top 5. Although I haven't won a big 5 yet, I have knocked on the door several times in big 5's and state hunts. The amount of time you spend getting ready for this hunt is unbelievavle. In 2008 I placed two dogs in the top 5 at the world hunt and I promise you, I spent 40+ hours a week (working 50 hours a week too) of soloing and bracing hounds to get them just right. This meant working all night and then running dogs and getting no sleep or sleeping while the dogs ran. Yes you might take a decent dog or a piece of junk and make a round or so. But when you start getting 3 and 4 rounds deep, you better have some dog power, I know for a fact! Sometimes little pack will leave a lot of things to luck in an hour of running, but I love the format and the people I have met through the years.

As far as IFC, AKC FC, or CFC, my hat is off to any of the guys who have the time and money to promote a dog to IFC level. I'll never have one I'm sure, because I dont have the time or money. I like the AKC Midwest, it really lets the cream rise to the top in the end, there's nothing like a good winner's pack chase. I've just now got the dogs that can really compete in this format and will be pushing them, but my time is limited in this format as well. I work a lot of weekends, so I can't be selective or picky of which ones I go to.

Anyways, I have a lot of respect for those that have won world hunts (especially numerous times), and championed dogs in several formats. It is all in the eyes of the beholder I guess is what I'm trying to say. To each his own.

Blair

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Well the flags are flying for the difference in opinion "I like it".Biggest honor bestowed in beagling was the third place trophy i won in 94 about the size of a beer can in indiana.Still Got it.Second was a third at the world went on to get 2 third places and 1 fourth at the world.Man was i happy, i always dispelled akc for several reason niether here or there, then i showed up with what i thought was a winner only to go home by 10 am. I thought it was buddy judging so i tried em again, I placed. I soon found out the time required to compete in the midwest was indeed different. I have never seen a winners pack that was not top notch, It requires more than normal training and dogs that can handle 7-9 dogs ever time released.Think about that, thats pressure. Hours of running in a days time will certainly check ur oil quick.I have met lots of people in the akc and arha i am proud to call friend.But By far akc is harder, as far as jcm comments about judges.There everwhere.People that judge should in my eyes be rabbit hunters first not rule book huggers. I didnt see it, what dog is it, Thats what has burnt me in the arha.When in knew my dog had that jump but i got f----- out of it for whatever reason.A one hour cast it hard to come back in when you get a d--- by the judge.I dont want anyone to think there is nothing but crooks judging thats not the case, but there is lots of dumazzes judging .I will leave it at that. Common sense should prevail in all formats, I watched brian and brad johnson judge from daylight till dark in indiana never before or after have i seen it done.Btw they judged 15" males and argued the whole time, the 2 best judges i have ever witnessed run a pack.So being a world hunt winner and owning a few fc, Ifc is the top shelf of the beagling world and living in the midwest with limited resources i will venture to say------"I will never own one".Run what ya brung and stick with what ya know.

[Casey Harner]

Well the flags are flying for the difference in opinion "I like it".Biggest honor bestowed in beagling was the third place trophy i won in 94 about the size of a beer can in indiana.Still Got it.Second was a third at the world went on to get 2 third places and 1 fourth at the world.Man was i happy, i always dispelled akc for several reason niether here or there, then i showed up with what i thought was a winner only to go home by 10 am. I thought it was buddy judging so i tried em again, I placed. I soon found out the time required to compete in the midwest was indeed different. I have never seen a winners pack that was not top notch, It requires more than normal training and dogs that can handle 7-9 dogs ever time released.Think about that, thats pressure. Hours of running in a days time will certainly check ur oil quick.I have met lots of people in the akc and arha i am proud to call friend.But By far akc is harder, as far as jcm comments about judges.There everwhere.People that judge should in my eyes be rabbit hunters first not rule book huggers. I didnt see it, what dog is it, Thats what has burnt me in the arha.When in knew my dog had that jump but i got f----- out of it for whatever reason.A one hour cast it hard to come back in when you get a d--- by the judge.I dont want anyone to think there is nothing but crooks judging thats not the case, but there is lots of dumazzes judging .I will leave it at that. Common sense should prevail in all formats, I watched brian and brad johnson judge from daylight till dark in indiana never before or after have i seen it done.Btw they judged 15" males and argued the whole time, the 2 best judges i have ever witnessed run a pack.So being a world hunt winner and owning a few fc, Ifc is the top shelf of the beagling world and living in the midwest with limited resources i will venture to say------"I will never own one".Run what ya brung and stick with what ya know.

I agree the Johnson brothers are top notch judges that worked their butts off at the Coal Mine classic this year. My dog didn't last long in the first round, but that was ok, kind of knew it would happen. Asked Brad why he picked him up and he was straight forward and honest. Can't ask more from a judge than honesty. I watched all of the first series go out except one and they did a great job.

Like I've said in this post before, its not what kind of judges you have, its what the judges sees and scores, judges are just like other beaglers, they look at different traits in a beagle, if your dog doesn't run what they like, you will not go far.

[JUDE]

I just wanted to give my opinion and leave it at that but here goes . If the post said do you think its an honer to win the world hunt then I would have said yes . It's trying to compare IFC to WHW and there is just no comparison .


Mike , have you ever seen a mouthy dog win a ARHA hunt ? (more rabbits the better for that dog) . Have you ever seen a dog that lacked so much hunt that it should be shot win a ARHA hunt ? ( doesn't matter because it will take the bunny from the hound that jumps it and beat the socks off everything as it should with all the energy it saved by not hunting) . Both those are examples of "not decent dogs" imo . As far as the judges go I've been told by veterans of the NKC (one I think you would respect , but NO names will be mentioned)how it works at world hunts - KY vs Ohio ect . Have I been there ? Nope but I know enough about NKC rules to know it could happen . I've seen Champion dogs that I wouldn't feed if they were free. JMO

Some people have lowered thier standards to "win" and that's fine with me . I doubt AKC judges would stand for that kinda foolishness from a hound but I could be wrong . JMO

Guy registers part beagle NKC ... Said beagle did really well in World Hunt (I may know of at least one similar instance). Who knows one of these days a Fiest X Beagle cross may win the World Hunt . Could happen ??? .

Now with my opinion being explained I want to say once again I would consider it an honer to win the World Hunt or any hunt I was to enter . If I won the world I'd almost be tempted to paint " World Hunt Winner " on the side of my home in flouresent orange.

I hope my post doesn't offend anyone as when I made the first post I wasn't throwing off or belittling anyones WHW . If my opinion can be proved wrong then I appologize .

[mike crabtree]

Jude,
The Ky Vs Ohio is long gone.

Im not going to argue with you about it. I know you have lots of great info to base your Opinion on, but most of it is on this Website. You have probably seen dozens of IFC dogs run and been to many AKC hunts and World hunts.You are basing almost all of your opinion on other peoples opinion, so its really not your opinion at all. I have been to some AKC Hunts, and see the same thing as in LP. The only difference is they wont put up with swinging, or a dog that hunts wide. You would be surprised how little they care about hunt in AKC.

I dont know I would say IFC would be very hard to accomplish, I would never deny that, I just hate when someone trys to make it like its just a walk in the park to win the World Hunt. I may have the sorriest dog to ever win the world hunt, I dont know, but Ill guarantee this even she is better than an OK dog.

[MasonsBeagles]

if a beagle x feist wins it deserves it. it is being based off of the rules for rabbit hunting.

no format is perfect.

this is a good topic as there is really no right or wrong answers other than both are unbelievable accomplishments.

I will say this. In a dogs pursuit of IFC it can have off days or bad spells and still obtain a FC and Can FC. At the World Hunt a "Bad Day" is a "Done Day" and Good Luck Next Year.

[Craig]

I'm curious what Kenin Monroe's oppinion would be on this subject, he may be the only one that has a valid oppinion being that he accomplished both with the same dog.