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JC
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Post by JC »

Number one the Beagle was around long before the Foxhound.They are not a downsized Foxhound.Number two the American standard is 15"maximum,your in America not England.If you want to run larger dogs now you know where to go.

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Post by kybeagle »

So if you want to get into the rules and crap... here is what AKC states...

Beagle Breed Standard
Hound Group

Head
The skull should be fairly long, slightly domed at occiput, with cranium broad and full. Ears--Ears set on moderately low, long, reaching when drawn out nearly, if not quite, to the end of the nose; fine in texture, fairly broad-with almost entire absence of erectile power-setting close to the head, with the forward edge slightly inturning to the cheek--rounded at tip. Eyes--Eyes large, set well apart-soft and houndlike--expression gentle and pleading; of a brown or hazel color. Muzzle--Muzzle of medium length-straight and square--cut--the stop moderately defined. Jaws--Level. Lips free from flews; nostrils large and open. Defects--A very flat skull, narrow across the top; excess of dome, eyes small, sharp and terrierlike, or prominent and protruding; muzzle long, snipy or cut away decidedly below the eyes, or very short. Roman-nosed, or upturned, giving a dish-face expression. Ears short, set on high or with a tendency to rise above the point of origin.

Body
Neck and Throat--Neck rising free and light from the shoulders strong in substance yet not loaded, of medium length. The throat clean and free from folds of skin; a slight wrinkle below the angle of the jaw, however, may be allowable. Defects--A thick, short, cloddy neck carried on a line with the top of the shoulders. Throat showing dewlap and folds of skin to a degree termed "throatiness."

Shoulders and Chest
Shoulders sloping--clean, muscular, not heavy or loaded--conveying the idea of freedom of action with activity and strength. Chest deep and broad, but not broad enough to interfere with the free play of the shoulders. Defects--Straight, upright shoulders. Chest disproportionately wide or with lack of depth.

Back, Loin and Ribs
Back short, muscular and strong. Loin broad and slightly arched, and the ribs well sprung, giving abundance of lung room. Defects--Very long or swayed or roached back. Flat, narrow loin. Flat ribs.

Forelegs and Feet
Forelegs--Straight, with plenty of bone in proportion to size of the hound. Pasterns short and straight. Feet--Close, round and firm. Pad full and hard. Defects--Out at elbows. Knees knuckled over forward, or bent backward. Forelegs crooked or Dachshundlike. Feet long, open or spreading.

Hips, Thighs, Hind Legs and Feet
Hips and thighs strong and well muscled, giving abundance of propelling power. Stifles strong and well let down. Hocks firm, symmetrical and moderately bent. Feet close and firm. Defects--Cowhocks, or straight hocks. Lack of muscle and propelling power. Open feet.

Tail
Set moderately high; carried gaily, but not turned forward over the back; with slight curve; short as compared with size of the hound; with brush. Defects--A long tail. Teapot curve or inclined forward from the root. Rat tail with absence of brush.

Coat
A close, hard, hound coat of medium length. Defects--A short, thin coat, or of a soft quality.

Color
Any true hound color.

General Appearance
A miniature Foxhound, solid and big for his inches, with the wear-and-tear look of the hound that can last in the chase and follow his quarry to the death.

Scale of Points
Head
Skull 5
Ears 10
Eyes 5
Muzzle 5 25
Body
Neck 5
Chest and shoulders 15
Back, loin and ribs 15 35
Running Gear
Forelegs 10
Hips, thighs and hind legs 10
Feet 10 30
Coat 5
Stern 5 10
Total 100

Varieties
There shall be two varieties:
Thirteen Inch--which shall be for hounds not exceeding 13 inches in height.
Fifteen Inch--which shall be for hounds over 13 but not exceeding 15 inches in height.

Disqualification
Any hound measuring more than 15 inches shall be disqualified.

Packs of Beagles

Score of Points for Judging
Hounds
General levelness of pack 40%
Individual merit of hounds 30%
70%

Manners 20%
Appointments 10%
Total 100%

Levelness of Pack
The first thing in a pack to be considered is that they present a unified appearance. The hounds must be as near to the same height, weight, conformation and color as possible.

Individual Merit of the Hounds
Is the individual bench-show quality of the hounds. A very level and sporty pack can be gotten together and not a single hound be a good Beagle. This is to be avoided.

Manners
The hounds must all work gaily and cheerfully, with flags up--obeying all commands cheerfully. They should be broken to heel up, kennel up, follow promptly and stand. Cringing, sulking, lying down to be avoided. Also, a pack must not work as though in terror of master and whips. In Beagle packs it is recommended that the whip be used as little as possible.

Appointments
Master and whips should be dressed alike, the master or huntsman to carry horn--the whips and master to carry light thong whips. One whip should carry extra couplings on shoulder strap.

Recommendations for Show Livery
Black velvet cap, white stock, green coat, white breeches or knickerbockers, green or black stockings, white spats, black or dark brown shoes. Vest and gloves optional. Ladies should turn out exactly the same except for a white skirt instead of white breeches.



And for those of you who always have something to say about this... Again we arn't arguing the fact that the dog was measured out.. rules are rules but the idea that the young boy made it that far in his first world hunt then got measured out. And we question the fact that this happens all the time. Maybe the rule will be changed or then again maybe not. We've tried to let it die down but it seems somebody always has something to say. Save it-its been almost two weeks ago. He'll be back next year with a smaller and better dog and then we'll see whos got what....

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Post by buddy_line_kennels »

hey flyboyc141 why don't you name some of tony's judges or the people you are calling cheaters come on be a man and say some names.
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Post by kybeagle »

Need i repeat myself?
Take it up with him in a PM..

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Post by buddy_line_kennels »

kybeagle i think everyone should know who he's calling cheaters
Matt and Amanda Elliott



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Post by Adam M. O'Donnell »

kybeagle,
Why don't you take up your "he hit on me the first time I met him" to Tony in a "PM"
Practice what you preach!
Failure to prepare, is preparing to fail.
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Post by JIMMIE ABSHIRE »

This post has ran its course why dont we crack on somebody new i believe we have all spoken our peace, Move on ;)
Old school Northway . Full Throttle no Bottle.

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Post by kybeagle »

Well Mr. O'Donnel. I did take it up with him IN PERSON. It was taken care of by quite a few people. You aint my daddy so don't worry your little heart over it.
My suggestion.... If you have anything else to say to me take it up in a PM and we'll discuss this further.. Have a wonderful day. :D

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Post by Gbeagle »

Ya'll To funnyImage

Plain and simple RULE CHANGE
Premeasure all hounds . Then you won't have this problem !!!

Kybeagler thanks for posting the standards now how about posting the competition rules.

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Post by flyboyc141 »

OK MATT IF I MUST JARED AND YOU WOULD BE A START.

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Post by Swells »

I very seldom make a post but I can say this. Matt Elliot judged me at the Little World against Tony and I honestly thought Tony's dog got the last check to win the cast and had he give the check to Tony I couldn't have said a word but he give the check to a different dog making it the cast winner. I have a hard time believing Matt cheated because if he wanted to cheat he could have there and I'd never been the wiser. Tony I can't remember the last time you brought back one of my dogs winning but I'll say this I still think you're one of the top 5 judges in the country.

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Post by buddy_line_kennels »

flyboyc141 appearantly you don't know me very well, because i would never cheat for anybody and tony has lost more casts under me than he's won. your last name wouldn't happen to be ARN would it
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Post by buddy_line_kennels »

hey Swells appreciate the post, because people never here about the casts that tony has lost under his friends.
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Post by carn »

dirt if you have anything to say to me use pm if not you know were i live come get you some.carl arn

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