trialing

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:55 am

hello guys just wanted to ask you all a question,,,i have a 14 year old son that thinks he would like to trial his pup,,,,he has a 7 month old male that is burning a track up better than our old dogs he has superb hunt holds the line true and can flat move a track on,,,i belive he would do very good in a derby but im new to all this trialing and dont know the first thing,,,,,so my question is what registry would be a good one to start in,i personally feel this pup could be championed out by the time he was 1 1/2 years or 2 years of age,,,he is super tough,,,

BeaglerJay · Post by **BeaglerJay** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:37 am

Well if he can hold the line true like you said then i think he would do good in Progressive Pack which is NKC-ARHA and our club is having a two day hunt on September 5th and the 6th you should come up our way and try him out. Our club name is Morgan County Beagle Club
Talk to ya Later!

Jay

Steve C. · Post by **Steve C.** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 11:47 am

I don't want to be the wet blanket again, but in my opinion, 7 months is far too young to even consider trialing a pup. Though he may be running fine on familiar turf, often just the travel to the event and the overwhelming number of new sights, sounds, smells, vehicles, people, dogs, etc is way more to be put on his plate than he's emotionally ready for. Not to mention the pressure of competing in a strange pack. It wouldn't surprise me to find that he even refuses to pack up, as happened to one of mine recently at 2 years old. I think there's an awful lot of risk at this age compared to any possible reward. If he's really that talented, he'll be even more so next year. Temptation has ruined many good young hounds.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:38 pm

thanks steve , i figured he was to young, man this pup has the get go , as the saying goes ,when the tailgate drops the bull s_ _ t stops he is all buisness i wish all my dogs hunted as hard as him , i have an 8 year old direct grandson of heli prop and phantom of the oprea and the pup and him will turn the ground upside down hunting for the rabbit,,,,but thanks again for the info,,,,,,

Steve C. · Post by **Steve C.** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 3:27 pm

Lonewolf, I remember quite a few years ago, a local beagler had an 8 month old pup off my old male that was just as you describe. He entered the pup in a licensed Large Pack trial and the little guy won it! Of course that was just enough incentive to put him in the next weekend and the following one and so on til the pup was completely ruined. There is a fellow from my club who has a young male, about a year old, who I think is terrific. He has put him in 4 licensed trials and has three 2nds so far. I keep telling him that at least if you're going to continue running him in trials, solo him at home but he continues to pack him every time out. I've asked the judges how close this dog has come to winning these trials and the answer has been the same each time- he's standing around on the checks watching the other hounds. I've tried to buy this pup before it's too late but he won't consider it. I'm afraid it may already be too late for this dog. One thing I like to do though is to bring these youngsters along to the trial. I tie him out with the rest and he gets used to the travel and everything that goes on. As long as nothing bad happens to him, he soon learns that it's fun and will be ready to go when the time is right, which you'll know. Good luck with him and I hope to see his name in the results next season.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 6:16 pm

steve i agree, i dont want to put him in every hunt i dont even care if he wins just to see how the little fellow is gonna act, he started his self when he was about 4 months old and has been soloed every weekend since he has probably been packed maybe 5 times at the most,,,,,,i just hope he doesnt burn him sell out because of how hard he hunts and goes at it,,,,i have a 14 month old put just like him which is a grandson of deatons black magicthis dog has been trialed and has a second on the bench so maybe it would pay me to trial him since he is alot older,,,

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 6:18 pm

steve,do you think a dog that has made a name for himself in trials is a better stud dog than one that hasnt,,,,,,just a question.....

Steve C. · Post by **Steve C.** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:06 pm

No, not at all. That is, he won't produce any better pups due to being trialed successfully. However if you want to promote the dog and maybe make a little money by putting him out at public stud, then I'd say you MUST not only trial him, but finish him too. I know of a few hounds that are top notch gun dogs and a few guys even breed to them, but very few guys are going to travel and pay hard earned money to breed to a hound who has not proven himself among other top hounds. Once you advertise him at stud, it also opens the floodgates for people to critique the dog and reveal to the world any weakness whether real or imaginary. I wouldn't want to put up with all the headaches that having a dog at public stud entails. My current stud dog is not only a champion but is available to breed to at no charge, yet few people use him because he isn't the current popular stud. Probably 75% of the breedings that are made each year are to the dog who is winning at the moment.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:27 pm

steve i have an 8 year old male dog that is a direct grandson of 2 well known rabbit hounds he's out of branko's heli prop on top and branko's phantom of the oprea on bottom, id like to get a couple of litters out of him before he goes this would be pretty close to these dogs,he is an all around superb gun dogs no faults for me sweet as a kitten but a real hard hunting and running hound, he is a champion in my eyes,,,,,,