got a ? for ya

[foxxy]

I dont want any arguement just looking for input
had a dog messure out sunday at a hunt
put him on a stand that was wobbly and was shaking dog messured over 2 separate times he was tense didnt feel safe
put on ground re-messured was under
surface of stand wasnt carpeted either (slick) i didnt really cause a sceen but really wanted to bit my lip and beared it went to master of hounds
he areed that the stand wasnt good needed worked on. And could have made dog really nervous
he (tag) never has messured over in any ukc hunt what would you have did or said Tag is a 14 3/4 dog not over by no means

[DoubleEagle]

Dan,
Sounds like the AKC is getting ready to crack down a bit on measuring. And you're right the stand is every bit as important. I know some of my dogs will hunker down and get nervous if put up on a slick surface. I imagine there's alot of dogs that would react the same way. Especially with it being wobbly too.
Myself I would have said something before the dog was measured. Loud enough for people to hear (and add their two cents). Seeing as how the MoH agreed I would hope this club uses a better stand in the future. If they don't have a new one at the next hunt I wouldn't bother entering. A level playing field is a level playing field. And that definitely includes the measuring stand.

If the AKC wants to crack down and give everybody a fair shake the reps will need to include a equipment inspection to insure the stand is up to par before a single dog is measured. If the stand doesn't measure up the hunt should be cancelled before it starts and everybodies entrance fee refunded. Now maybe this wont be a popular opinion but it's a fair opinion.

[foxxy]

i did say something i just prob. wont go back for along time

[Mark H]

So which measurment did they use the two on the stand where he went over or the one on the ground where he went under

[foxxy]

they used the 2 on the stand
it was a plywood plateform with 1x3 as legs barely wide enough for the mesurring stand
next time you see adam or denny ask them about it

[hoosierhillskennel]

I was there Witnessed it with my own eyes on the table he first placed the dog one leg was shorter than the other and the table tetered back and forth my other concern to that burns my butt more than anything is in the rule book it states that the dog should be measured at a NATURAL STANCE this means you should walk the dog toward the measuring stick stop him and then thats a natural stance you should measure the dog right there where they stand i know i have benched a little bit in the past (not much) but when i was on the bench i puffed my dog up and made him stand all straight and tall i dont think the breed inspectors should handle these dogs as much as they do (UNLESS) the dog will absolutely not stand for anything in the world then you should help the dog stand it is not fair to a dog to make them stand on a unsafe table to get measured now i wouldnt have said a word if he would have placed the dog on the floor to begin with and he had measured over but when you place the dog on the table and then place him on the floor and get two diffrent measurements a quarter of an inch off im not buying it.

[foxxy]

ya that wasnt the only thing bad that day was it

[hoosierhillskennel]

HEY!!!!!! we dont bring that up lololol yeah had the dog since he was a pup and now he's four and that hapens but dogs will be dogs i guess

[Willow Creek Kennels]

I was at the hunt on Sun.
I seen you walk in with the dog to get him measured and I said to myself that dog is OVER 15 maybe 15 1/2. So I wasnt suprised he measured out.
I didnt check the stand out real close that they had you stand him up on but it looked ok to me.
Just stating what i seen, Larry & Chris put on a fine hunt. The breed inspector that measured you out is from Michigan so i dont see why you wouldnt go back to that club because they had nothing to do with it.

[Lucille's M]

Thank you Shannon you rook the words right out of my mouth

[foxxy]

ok i wasnt bringing any names up
but on the ground he was under why was that
answer that
you can ask anyone that has been with tag from mich. to ind.
he has never mesured over NEVER
but the hunt was a good hunt i had fun running with rodney and all the others in the cast judge was good had a work out
but back to what i was saying how did me messure under on the ground ?

[foxxy]

and the reason is i brought up the shaking of the platform they was messuring on to the m.o.h. and he agreed there was a little problem with it
but didnt do a thing with it thats ok i am putting a protest in with a.r.h.a like i was told to to by some other at the hunt they agreed it was a bad call
and i am not talking about adam or denny others said to do it as well so i will just stay a way for a bit if larry want to call we still can discuss it he has my number

[Willow Creek Kennels]

I wasn't watching when he measured him on the ground.
Didn't concern me then and doesn't concern me now.
I was just saying I thought he was over 15" by looking at him.
And that Chris & Larry had nothing to do with you getting measured out.

[foxxy]

shannon i know larry and chris didnt
i like and have alot of respect for larry and i do mean that larry is a very good man chris like wise
love the couple of times i have ran for fun with larry
he knows his hounds
If i did offend anyone i am sorry larry or chris
oh ya chris if you see this rocko is in my lap now he is live it up here

[Willow Creek Kennels]

Larry Davis was MOH and I was assistant MOH and nobody said anything to me about it.Or Larry that I know of so I dont know who you talked to.
What was the persons name you talked to??