UKC Schedules 10 Performance Pack Events in First Month

dannyboone · Post by **dannyboone** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:48 am

I haven't ran ukc for awhile because i was seeing a lot of dogs winning that can't get a rabbit up by themselves. Heres a good example, i had a 4 dog cast, 3 dogs in the cast for the first 45 minute were within 10 to 15 feet of the judge and handlers, but i will say they were jacking around enough that you couldn't say they weren't hunting. The other dog was know where to be seen, after 45 minutes the 4th dog opens. Doesn't sound very promising, but my point was at least she was trying! She goes down 100 points, the other dogs never went to her. When we went to catch the dogs the 4th dog jumped the rabbit and took off, the rest of the cast wanted to turn there dogs loose and split the points, so now the dog that did all of the work is down 100. Some of these dogs are now champions. If you just get in on the runs when the getting is good your dog will not minus, so you win! Now with having to run your dog by themselves to make champion they will have to jump it and circle it, this will elimenate some of this. I am just trying to stated my opinion. I said last year that the ukc needed to some how certify champions and it was like people where afraid of it. Like they had no confidence in there hounds, If they are a true champions and RABBIT DOGS they should be able to jump, run and circle a rabbit by themselves

HUNTER
This is not a new ID i have never posted before I am not trying to start trouble I just think the new format might be better than the old one.

houndsound · Post by **houndsound** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:48 am

Well Mr. Boone, I understand your point. Almost the same situation has happened to me before. My point is simply that any format will have holes in it. A "champion" in any format to me means nothing, untill I have seen them run. I really think there will be folks that enjoy the new format. I just don't believe it will be the end all to making perfect trialing. Have a great day..

dk

Redtick · Post by **Redtick** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:47 am

dannyboone, your point is well taken and true. I have carried beagles and coonhounds to hunts that did the work that other dogs got the credit for doing lots of times. No format is perfect. But, I believe having the whole cast voting on the winners, having the dogs prove they are indeed running a rabbit the correct direction, and having to circle the rabbit and it be seen before plus points are given outweighs some of the shortcomings some of the other formats have. There are plenty of "me too" beagles that win in any format.
I am like Houndsound, those Champion degrees hold little value to me unless I have seen the dog run regardless of the format. There are plenty of "paper Champions" that you just have to wonder how they ever won a cast.
I am not against the new format if others enjoy it but it doesn't have any value to me or my kennels. I don't have enough "buddies" that will help me out.

dmbarnes · Post by **dmbarnes** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:56 pm

I don't have enough "buddies" that will help me out.[/quote]

Redtick that is probably the most truthful thing that you have ever posted on this board1

Hunter · Post by **Hunter** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:14 pm

dannyboone wrote: HUNTER
This is not a new ID i have never posted before I am not trying to start trouble I just think the new format might be better than the old one.

Well kinda funny under your profile there is no info and it says the account was made on Jan,15 2006. So it does not look like you are gaining any trust from me.

Terrry Sudduth · Post by **Terrry Sudduth** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:18 pm

big lake beagles wrote:Hey Terry got me computer fix. New email address is benefield@bscn.com
I am also ready to Schudle a hunt. Need you or someone to call me so I can get the ball rolling. Thank Shawn Benefield

Shawn,I am glad You got Your computer fixed LOL,I will give You a call this weak,and You need to come down,and go hunting with Me.

Terry

Redtick · Post by **Redtick** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:56 am

dmbarnes, I do not cultivate friendships in order to have friends that will pick my dogs over others that did better. And, if I thought someone was that kind of person, they would NOT be my friend. But, you might be surprized at some of the folks that are my friends. I would rather go with quality over quantity but I have both quality and quantity when it comes to friendships.

Big Mike · Post by **Big Mike** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:20 pm

Like I said in my earlier post, this new format smells to high haven like PP with different players. The first one hasn't even been run yet, and you all are already arguing, and bad rapping one another.
Thanks---- BUT NO THANKS !

AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:16 pm

Redtick wrote:I will add that I don't see how some of the fast HH dogs I have seen can possibly be judged by a judge running behind the dogs? .

Redtick, are these not the same dogs that are followed in ARHA LP trials the next weekend? Yes, they are.

Redtick wrote:The HH dogs I see around this area are way too fast for a judge to possibly keep up with to be able to judge correctly. .

Refer to my above post.

A

Redtick wrote:nd, from what I have read on this board, the whole cast can choose to run with the dogs. I don't see what will keep the noise created from running behind the dogs from turning the rabbit causing lots and lots of needless checks..

Redtick, why would the rabbit turn if something was behind it????

I could see your point if the handlers were running towards the rabbit from the other direction.

Redtick wrote:Little wonder the dogs on the PP format are not required to circle the rabbit. I do not see the formats as being equal in value or the same dogs winning in both formats. There are differences and the titles need to be different.

Todd, am I right when I say that the champions in this new format will have to certify just like they did under the ARHA PP rules?

Redtick, do you have a dog that had to jump, circle and be shot over to certify as a champion? I didn't think so since you don't run ARHA PP.

Danny King · Post by **Danny King** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:09 pm

Big Mike wrote:Like I said in my earlier post, this new format smells to high haven like PP with different players. The first one hasn't even been run yet, and you all are already arguing, and bad rapping one another.
Thanks---- BUT NO THANKS !

Big Mike most of the guys that put it together isnt the guys arguing on this board. a good bunch of guys put it together thinking about buddy judgeing and soforth. the guys that did it a few were banned for stupid stuff and put on probation and the other guys just want to better the trialing for everyone else so we dont get the bickering.

And you will be welcome any time at the club that i belong to that will be running some hunts like this Thumb area beagle club in millington mi
Trust me the guys that belong to this club dont put up with bickering and arguing.

Danny King

MDH68 · Post by **MDH68** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:58 pm

The UKC will not let this format or any other format become a black eye.If there are problems with the new format they will fix it. Remember it is just that A NEW FORMAT. The rules may come right off the presses and be perfect. But if not the UKC will ask the members for there input on changes needed to be changed and how to change them. They will get it done. Some of the biggest problems that could happen right at the start is rules interpretation.They will be a few guys who know the rules and a bunch that dont. The guys that study the new rules will be far fyrther ahead than the guy that is not familiar. Just remember this is new and everyone is getting there feet wet at the sametime. The UKC is a fair honest registry with good people involved. Just give the new format a chance to get established and it will work.

Mike

Redtick · Post by **Redtick** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:39 am

I have dealt with UKC for over 40 years. Way before the current administration took office. They are better than some organizations in my opinion. Over they years, I have seen a very few things that didn't measure up to my personal standards. But, I have seen a few things that didn't measure up. With that being said, I do believe there will be every effort to make this format succeed. This is just my opinion and deserves no more value than anyone elses, but I see some built in flaws in the new system. I think that there will be some Champions made in this format that will not be the kind of beagles I would hunt. I think the rules favor some things that I personally consider faults. The format I prefer certainly has some faults also but I can live with them. I certainly see the rabbit the dogs are running before plus points are handed out. That is a big difference in my book. As long as there is a complete distiction between the 2 formats and the titles the dog earn, I wish everyone the best. I certainly can't fault UKC for making some money. It is the American way.

Cat Daddy · Post by **Cat Daddy** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:03 pm

Yea, its too bad you are banned from posting on the UKC board.

Redtick · Post by **Redtick** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:23 am

Anyone can post on that board anytime they want to by simply using another user name. Just like they can on this board. I said I wasn't going to post on that board any more, then Morgan barred me for saying I wasn't going to post, not the other way around. I have print outs of how that came about and how Morgan failed to do his job. I haven't mailed them in to anyone but I sure have them. I will be talking to his boss today.

Cat Daddy · Post by **Cat Daddy** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:21 am

Redtick wrote:Anyone can post on that board anytime they want to by simply using another user name. Just like they can on this board. I said I wasn't going to post on that board any more, then Morgan barred me for saying I wasn't going to post, not the other way around. I have print outs of how that came about and how Morgan failed to do his job. I haven't mailed them in to anyone but I sure have them. I will be talking to his boss today.

Oh I am sure you have them and they are edited just like your videos.You always paint the picture to where it sheds the best light on yourself. Like I always say you sure are reckless with the truth.

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