NBC 2005 BOB Ch. Windkist A Walk In The Park

[Honey Pot Hounds]

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Cindy, congrats on finishing Brady to his Champ. The only thing that could make it better than home bred and raised is to have been on the end of the lead. Lots more fun. Congrats.[/quote]

Thankyou Dan. I wish I could have finished him but it wasn't possible to do in the northeast over the timeframe we wanted him done and with the shows (and politics) that we had here in those two months.
The young handler who took him for me is NOT a known face...she is only 19 yrs. old and just starting out and had just moved to Florida from California so she had everything politically against her.
So many people said "I HOPE she can finish him for you..." "She is awfully young..." "WHO is this Tracey Hargis???" and "She is barely five feet tall, he is so huge, you need a 6 foot man on him..."
Well, finish him Tracey did...on his own merits...and even beating Aaron Wilkerson and another Parker puppy once for a totally unexpected win (and 5pt. major) the first week she had him!
Last weekend when she finished my boy (her FIRST "Client" NEW CHAMPION) she also finished a young Chessie, put 2nd Majors on another Chessie and put a major on a Beagle puppy bitch!! All under judges she had never shown to before in her life So sometimes there is HOPE in the AKC breed ring even if you aren't a "face."

[sundownbeagles]

Took pics yesterday of Glory and Donny will post. As far as the article Donny thought it was from one of the show mags, he will post the name. The article was titled "Beagle Boogle Boy" awsome pic of parker.

[Don McVay]

the magazine was Dog News Oct. 16 . 2004 issue 42

[Don McVay]

Sundown Walk To Glory
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[Windkist]

[quote="Don McVay"]Sundown Walk To Glory


Thanks for the picture! She looks a lot like a parker 1/2 sister I have. Very pretty!

Leah

[Honey Pot Hounds]

Don & Dave,
Glory is a beaut. Nice bone, nice short back, nice angles, neck, head, etc.,
She should finish in AKC easily. I'd love to take my clippers and scissors to her and carve me out a show beagle, lol.
Best of luck with her!
Cindy

[sundownbeagles]

Cindy not the best pic but wanted something to post. LOL She rocks back sometimes when stacked and were working on it one day she excellent the next we work on it. Life of a pup.LOL!! Havent groomed yet but will introduce the clippers soon. Working on field work and doing well. Shes special.

[John Lear]

Leah and Cindy are you coming to the nationals this year? John Lear from King's Way kennels. Had wrote on this article before but changed internet carriers and could not log back in under my old user name.

[Honey Pot Hounds]

Hi John,
I won't be going to The nationals this year as I have a litter due that week. Next year I definitely plan on going to Aldie though! I will even schedule my breeding plans around it just to be sure
Thanks for asking. I wish I could go but have no-one here that I dare leave newborns with.
Take care,
Cindy

[BlueIceBeagles]

It must be nice to have all this money to buy $1000 dollar hounds and spend quadruple that to make it a champion.
Frankly I think this whole thread is a steaming pile. Show breeders have a good laugh at our huntin' dawgs, even the ones bred with conformation in mind. I've heard it with my own ears, and candid (show) breeders have told me they all think hunting Beagles are the stereotypical snippy nosed long backed, curved tail, ugly thing. But when you try to improve your lines by wanting to breed with show lines that you researched and think are compatible, they turn their noses up at you. Don't tell me the show only breeders posting here don't have a yearly salary thats more money than some of us will ever see in our lives and would EVER in a million years let one of us poor slobs touch one of their hounds with a 10 foot pole. And money is what it all boils down to. After so many years in the dog world, you come to get a feel for what certain types of dog people are like. Most of the prestigeous show breeders look down upon us as being undeserving of owning or breeding to such valuable hounds.
Its all lip service. I've asked around and have been for several years and 99% of the breeders either didn't answer me back or blew me off, even though I was honest, forthcoming and portrayed myself as being an intelligent, responsible person/breeder. They don't give a crap. And yes, I've contacted at least one of the show breeders posting on this thread, one who claims to be keen on the idea of breeding to or selling a quality pup to a hunter. I'm just so sick of being brushed off and made to feel inferior. One breeder who was at least trying to be nice when brushing me off said my bitch was nice, but since she was a full 15" and the hound I wanted to breed to was 15", it was better I look elsewhere becuase he didn't think breeding two 15" hounds was a good idea. I may not have a pot to pee in, but God gifted me with brains, and I know a brush off when I see one.
And since this is on the topic of Windkist A Walk in the Park ... his owner mentioned she's built to last in the field. Never. Look at those feet. They're not cat feet - they're stubs. His bone is too heavy. Back too short. I'm betting he'd fall apart doing backyard agility. I challenge you to enter him in a field trial. There are plenty outside Utah. I challenge you to train him how to even do a simple track, which is what I do with my hounds to prepare them for real hunt work. I have a feeling he couldn't track a rabbit pelt two feet in front of his nose.

[blunder]

BlueIce
The reality is that most of us trade breedings just like the "huntin' dawg" folks do, and most of us are just plain ole working people. So many of your assumptions are wrong. If you check around the internet you will find that many of us also spend a lot more time on hunting boards than we do here,,,,,,,, so guess what!!!!!

Don't tell me the show only breeders posting here don't have a yearly salary thats more money than some of us will ever see in our lives and would EVER in a million years

I'm retired and on a fixed income earned my living twisting wrenches for 40 years my daughter (who shows our dogs) earns her living grooming dogs So Yup, we sure are livin' in tall cotten (give me a brake)

Son, looks to me like you need to get out more

I've asked around and have been for several years and 99% of the breeders either didn't answer me back or blew me off

Yup,,, with that attitude I would hang up on ya in a NY second!!

OH,, and I went to my first field trial in 1949 at the ripe ole age of 8,,, would you like to take a guess as to how many I have run dogs in since????

Take a close look at my signature and you just might pick up on the fact that two of the "dawgs" listed are hunting/trial dogs
"Meg" is a titled Senior Hunter and "Blunder" is All Age Qualified (wonders if you even know what that means)

And since this is on the topic of Windkist A Walk in the Park ... his owner mentioned she's built to last in the field.

Well to begine with "Parker" is a HE (ya realy do need to keep up boy)
and there are more than a couple of us on this board that have seen him move in person,,,, have you?????
So take my word for it,, if I tell you a dog can run,,,,,,,,,,,, it can
and rest assured I will tell you if it can't

tom

[Honey Pot Hounds]

Oh my GAWD there is SO MUCH in Blue Ices post I want to comment on that I just don't know where to start!!!!!!! I think the most hysterical comment is calling Parkers feet STUBS. LOL. Those of us that know him can have a good laugh over THAT ONE. LOL!

BTW, if a dog costs over a $1000.00 to finish than it ain't worth finishing. Any good beagle can finish for a thousand OR MUCH LESS unless you are staying at fancy hotels and dining in 4 star restuarants on show trips...usually we stay at the Red Roof Inn and dine at places like The Outback, lol. I would say spending over $1000.00 to finish a dog is pretty uncommon and most breeders wouldn't go that far with the poor animal.

Blue Ice I had a 15" dog sired by Parker and had you contacted me I probably would have let you use him for $350.00 That was my rate for field beaglers but of course no-one ever inquired and the dog is now sold. He is still available at stud and as long as your bitch isn't one of those "stereotypical snippy nosed long backed, curved tail, ugly thing." (<--Your words, not mine) than I'd be happy to talk to you as long as you remove that boulder off your shoulder....of course, he is a Parker son so probably not the quality of dog you are interested in with those "stubs" for feet and all

Have a good one!

Cindy

[Windkist]

Leah and Cindy are you coming to the nationals this year? John Lear from King's Way kennels. Had wrote on this article before but changed internet carriers and could not log back in under my old user name.

John,

I'll be in Indiana this year. Still trying to decide if I'm driving or flying and what I'm going to bring. I'd love to meet you.

Leah Bertagnolli

[Windkist]

As for the comment by blue Ice. Its pretty apparent that your attitude alone probably gets you ignored or rebuked by pretty much anyone you try to deal with. So, rather than placing the blame on others why not look at yourself a little closer.

Sticks n' stones and all that...

Leah

[BlueIceBeagles]

As for the comment by blue Ice. Its pretty apparent that your attitude alone probably gets you ignored or rebuked by pretty much anyone you try to deal with. So, rather than placing the blame on others why not look at yourself a little closer.

Sticks n' stones and all that...

Leah

So Leah, you think someone venting on a bulletin board has the same attitude as a person calling up another breeder regarding purcahsing a hound? Do you honestly think thats what has made me so bitter??? Maybe, I'm an honest, hardworking person who has been researching and attempting to obtain a well bred show hound or stud services for my best bitch (on and off) since 2002. I have always done my best by my hounds and have managed to make some noticable improvements in my stock. I've always wanted the personal satisfaction of breeding an exceptional line that could be shown and hunt correctly. But you wouldn't know that, because you know you would never speak with me logn enough to learn more about my hounds, goals and breeding program. If you simply don't care for what I'm trtying to do, thats perfectly alright - we all disagree and have differing opinions in certain "looks" of different lines. What builds up and makes me angry, frustrated and bitter is that fact that most show breeders have not even given me that chance. They've expressed that they don't want their bloodlines intermingled with hunting stock. They find it repulsive almost, that I do this as a PASSION, and am broke becuase of it. I am as poor as you can get and that bothers them. There's alwyas an excuse, always a reason why they can't let me touch their lines.

Honey Pot, you say you had a male you would have studded out to field breeders. How convenient you don't have him anymore. Because for $350, most of us would have jumped at the chance to use him. I don't believe your claims. I'm sorry to be so cynical, but even a show breeder who I have the utmost respect for, and who has helped me on numerous occasions, and admired the fact that I strive to better the conformation of my hunting stock - even she would not consider using a show quality male on a field line feamle. She admires my bitch and was impressed that such good breed type was attained from 100% field breeding, but still, the line is drawn at intermingling the two lines.

So Leah, Honey Pot, what do you say? If you truly think I'm wrong, I'd be delighted if you proved me wrong. Would either of you, if I could provide breeding goals and a picture of a good quality field bitch from good, producing lines, would either of you sell me a potential show quality pup or stud out to me?

I'm sure this post will be followed by a resonating silence ..... but I'm always eager to be proven wrong.