Governers refusing aid

[beaglechase]

It's time for Obama and the liberals to man up and say, we've taken control of this economy and so whatever happens from here on out we are responsible.



FAT CHANCE of that EVER happening...LOL




Tony

the question is not that he will own up to his actions, the question is will you be man enough to take it? and quit your gripeing?

[Rabbithoundjb]

Obama has been in control of the economy since he won the election, he made how many addresses to the media with his cute little sign (the office of the president elect) still campaigning on his economic team and their plans which have did nothing to create consumer confidence, investor confidence, buisness confidence and 4 months later still no confidence and I dont want to wait a year to see a turn around. You 2 guys dont validate anything you say, I dont have any problem understanding why you guys dont get what any of the guys on here have said because you dont even have the facts about what you are saying and you really dont care what the truth is. I'm on here now just to see what kind of ridiculous regergatated nonsence I can provoke out of you next.

Pine mt . if Obama had a good plan the market would have already turned around. I will use the numbers Beaglechase posted to illustrate something to you boys. Beaglechase said 20% of the population owns 80% of the wealth, well Obama got 52% of the vote. That means he got 52% of the 80% ofthe population that owns 20% of the wealth because the 20% that owns 80% did not vote for Obama, now that means he has the support of about 15% of the US wealth, that is why the economy hasn't even given him a bump, much less a turn around. Its simple, the money has backed out of the economy.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

RABBITHOUND
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU BUY A BUSINESS A BILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT ,GO FIGHT ALL THE STOCK HOLDERS,AND BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND BORROW HALF A MILLION,THEN THE STOCK HOLDERS OR BOARD OF DIRECTORS TOLD YOU YOU IT'S BEEN A WEEK WHY HAVEN'T YOU TURNED THIS THING AROUND AND THEM FIGHTING YOU EVERY DAY,I THINK YOU MIGHT GET A PICTURE OF THE REAL WORLD, JUST FOR YOUR INFO -----I TOOK OVER A MINE THAT WAS RUNNING COAL THAT COST THE COMPANY 51 DOLLARS A TON TO PUT OUT SIDE, THEY WERE SELLING IT FOR 30 DOLLARS A TON, THEY WERE LOOSING 21 DOLLARS A TON,IT TOOK 6 MONTHS,I RAN THE MINE FOR ABOUT 3 YEARS AND RAN OUT OF COAL. WHEN I SHUT THE MINE DOWN WE WERE PUTING IT OUT SIDE FOR 14 DOLLARS A TON.I HATED TO LAY MY PEOPLE OFF IT HURT ME BAD BUT I HAD NO CHOICE,,,,I'AM NOT AN EDUCATED BUSINESS MAN,BUT I DO KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES TO TURN A BAD MANAGED SITUATION AROUND ,IT DON'T HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE ,SORRY IF I BORED YOU WITH A LITTLE BACK GROUND ON MYSELF.--DON'T PEE DOWN MY BACK AND TELL ME IT IS RAINING,,IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET THIS FAR DOWN AND WILL TAKE LONGER TO GET BACK AND WITH ALL THE REPUBLICANS TRYING TO STOP ANY THING THAT WOULD HELP JUST SO THEY CAN SAY I TOLD YOU SO LATER IS A DISGRACE AND WE MAY NEVER RECOVER ..BUT GOOD LUCK ANY WAY
RUFUS

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RABBITHOUND
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU BUY A BUSINESS A BILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT ,GO FIGHT ALL THE STOCK HOLDERS,AND BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND BORROW HALF A MILLION,THEN THE STOCK HOLDERS OR BOARD OF DIRECTORS TOLD YOU YOU IT'S BEEN A WEEK WHY HAVEN'T YOU TURNED THIS THING AROUND AND THEM FIGHTING YOU EVERY DAY,I THINK YOU MIGHT GET A PICTURE OF THE REAL WORLD, JUST FOR YOUR INFO -----I TOOK OVER A MINE THAT WAS RUNNING COAL THAT COST THE COMPANY 51 DOLLARS A TON TO PUT OUT SIDE, THEY WERE SELLING IT FOR 30 DOLLARS A TON, THEY WERE LOOSING 21 DOLLARS A TON,IT TOOK 6 MONTHS,I RAN THE MINE FOR ABOUT 3 YEARS AND RAN OUT OF COAL. WHEN I SHUT THE MINE DOWN WE WERE PUTING IT OUT SIDE FOR 14 DOLLARS A TON.I HATED TO LAY MY PEOPLE OFF IT HURT ME BAD BUT I HAD NO CHOICE,,,,I'AM NOT AN EDUCATED BUSINESS MAN,BUT I DO KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES TO TURN A BAD MANAGED SITUATION AROUND ,IT DON'T HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE ,SORRY IF I BORED YOU WITH A LITTLE BACK GROUND ON MYSELF.--DON'T PEE DOWN MY BACK AND TELL ME IT IS RAINING,,IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET THIS FAR DOWN AND WILL TAKE LONGER TO GET BACK AND WITH ALL THE REPUBLICANS TRYING TO STOP ANY THING THAT WOULD HELP JUST SO THEY CAN SAY I TOLD YOU SO LATER IS A DISGRACE AND WE MAY NEVER RECOVER ..BUT GOOD LUCK ANY WAY
RUFUS

You just admitted to what I've been saying, YOU CAN"T SPEND/BUY YOUR WAT OUT OF DEBT. Eventually no matter how hard you try you will fail!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tim H]

IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET THIS FAR DOWN AND WILL TAKE LONGER TO GET BACK

You have been saying this is because of the last 8 years of Bush. So now you're saying it is going to take more than 8 years for Obama to turn this around?

I've run a few businesses in my life as well. Bought one that was losing $10,000 a month and employing 4 people who were going to lose their jobs. In less than 6 months I turned it around to employing 15 people and making $10,000 a month in profit in ONE department. I didn't use the Obama plan of borrowing money and spending my way out of the debt. I evaluated every dime being spent and cut back on the spending. Once the RIGHT systems are in place a business grows organically in a very short time. It took the previous owners 5 years to get the business to where it was, I never once pointed fingers at them for an excuse as to why the business couldn't be turned around quickly. I owned it and turned it around, otherwise I was to blame for not succeeding.

ACCOUNTABILITY

[Rabbithoundjb]

Tim, in Pine mt. and Beaglechases world only republicans have accountability.

[beaglechase]

well when did that start,goota go watch Bill Mahhr.

[Rabbithoundjb]

Now thats funny you joker you.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

TIM YOU COMPLETELY MISSED THE POINT.YOU DIDN'T HAVE MONEY YOU AHD TO BORROW IT ,,AND I HAD 154 PEOPLE,BUT THAT STILL IS NOT THE POINT.YOU GUY'S KNOW THAT IT WIL TAKE SOME TIME ,---------------------------------------------WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THE PART OF THE BILL THAT SAY'S YOU HAVE TO HIRE AN AMERICAN FOR THESE NEW JOBS, NOT ILLEGALS, AND ALSO JUST ABOUT ALL THE PORK IH THE BILL WAS PUT THERE BY REPUBLICANS ,,,
AND TO ANSWER YOU OTHER QUESTION I NEVER SAID I WISHED THE LAST PRESIDENT WOULD FAIL ,,HE IS NOT THE PRESIDENT KNOW,

[Rabbithoundjb]

There you go again, this is Nancy pelosi's bill and you are trying to put the earmarks on the republicans, try again you have yourself convinved though.

[Tim H]

TIM YOU COMPLETELY MISSED THE POINT.

I didn't miss your point at all. You say it will take a long time to turn this economy around. I disagreed and posted the reason for it taking longer. Obama is spending our money which makes us not want to spend the little he is leaving us, when we know he is going to try to get his hands on it as well.

I'll tell you this, as a business owner, if you start taking money from me as if you're helping someone else, it's not going to be me that gets laid off nor takes the pay cut.

Look at the market and what is happening WHILE Obama is president. You can't keep throwing out the political rhetoric that it is Bush's fault. The market doesn't care. Obama cannot articulate a clear economic plan, that is why the market is tanking to levels not seen for DECADES.
Obama's plan to spread the wealth around will not inspire business owners to put their money out there to be spread around. Socialism will not stimulate a free market system.

YOU GUY'S KNOW THE MARKET IS GOING TO GO ON DOWN' FOR MONTHS YET ,AND A LOT OF JOBS WILL STILL BE LOST .WHAT I SAID WAS THAT IT WILL TAKE A LONG TIME TO GET BACK FROM THESE MESS,

On what date do you think it has been long enough for Obama's policies to show us the results that were promised? Will that be the same date he begins to be held accountable? You can always say "it'll take more time", when is time up?

[Pine Mt Beagles]

JUST AS SOON AS WE CAN GET RID OF THE DO NOTHING, REPUBLICANS,AND THERE DO AS I SAY- NOT AS I DO== POLICY'S I HAVE NEVER SAW SO MANY PEOPLE' SAY THE SAME THING SO MANY DIFERENT WAY'S, THE REPUBLICANS ARE JUST NOT GOING TO DO NOTHING FOR AMERICA,NEVER HAVE NEVER WILL,,RAISE TAXES ON THE POOR CUT MINIMUM WAGE, STOP FUNDING SCHOOLS .AND HEALTH CARE ,I GUESS I AM JUST TO OLD AND TIRED OF LISTENING,TO THE REPUBLICAN ELITE TELL US POOR FOLKS,HOW RIGHT THEY ARE DON'T ASK QUESTIONS JUST BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE TOLD . SO HAVE AT IT.ENJOY ,MAYBE IN TWO YEARS IF THE REPUBLICANS CAN KEEP STONE WALLING,, LIE CHEATING,AND WHAT EVER THEY CAN THEY MIGHT PICK UP A SEAT OR TWO..

[Rabbithoundjb]

If supporting this liberal agenda is what you wanting , I hope they keep doing nothing by your standard and when you start supporting that rhetoric with some legislation that will validate it, I will respond to it. Until it is a waste of my time.

[Tim H]

JUST AS SOON AS WE CAN GET RID OF THE DO NOTHING, REPUBLICANS

So what you are saying is RIGHT NOW! Because, the democrats can pass whatever they want without the Republicans. Your only concern with the Republicans is that the radical liberal ideas can not be blamed on the Republicans if they don't go along with it. (Insert blame Bush and Republicans here.)

So by your standard you can't use the (Blame Bush Template) because Bush was being opposed by the Democrats so it is not his fault. If Obama should not be held accountable until all opposition to his policy is eliminated then you can no longer use the (Blame Bush Template) since he had opposition.

Truth is you are avoiding setting a time for when to hold Obama accountable because just like all liberals you survive by having someone else to blame and feel you should never be held accountable, because if something goes wrong it's never your fault.

I find it very interesting that after gaining control of both houses of congress and the White House, liberals are still not talking about their plan for the greatness of this country but instead are still focused on directing negativity at the Republicans. The Liberals are still telling us how bad this country is and how it is only going to get worse. Where's all this hope and prosperity? Obama ran on a campaign of tearing down this country and he has not stopped campaigning against America since he took office.

[beaglechase]

Has any body figured up how much money is gonna be saved by the reluctant governors? I am sure Ky could use the extra..