AMERICA---ECONOMY---JOB---CREATION

[Pine Mt Beagles]

[bluegrass]

Jobs that are created by the private sector are paid for by CREATED WEALTH...most liberals do not believe in this concept. They think that for someone to get a pay raise someone else must have taken a pay cut. For someone to get a job, someone else must have lost one to compensate, etc...


GOVERNMENT jobs however are NOT created wealth jobs, they are CONFISCATED WEALTH jobs. When there is a GOVERNMENT job its paid for by US, the taxpayers. It simply shifts money from our pockets to that person who was hired. Now, whats the difference someone might ask?? When you have a business, small or big, and you produce a product or service that people are willing to pay for, you have created wealth where there was none before. A government job simply takes money that was already in existence and moves it somewhere else. Government CANNOT and WILL NOT be able to creat jobs. Thats why Reagans' tax cuts worked so well, they ALLOWED businesses to expand, because they could AFFORD to after the confiscatory tax rates under Carter, thereby creating jobs where there were none before. But when GOVERNMENT oppresses business it causes just the opposite, contraction or elimination of jobs. The very nature of a free market society is to allow people to keep their own money and spend it as they see fit to do so. Government meddling in this only makes things worse. Now I know that Government has a role to fill in commerce but its not as big as they want it to be now. Government is on the verge of OWNING banks, businesses, private homes, etc, and that IS NOT THE ROLE of government. Job creation is a private sector function ONLY, never a Government function. Bureaucratic employment is not the goal here, private business jobs is.

All this talk of "infrastructure" rebuilding sounds real good, except it won't help anything except government...you can have only so many people standing around on a bridge construction site before someone is gonna notice that only three or four are working and the rest are loafing...perhaps you have seen that already though, since it does happen. Obama wants to take a page out of FDR's playbook and use GOVERNMENT projects to spur the private sector...thats like adding a Great Dane to your beagle gene pool to add a little speed....not gonna work no matter how hard you try.


Tony

[Pine Mt Beagles]

[Rabbithoundjb]

Pine mt you are right about not giving banks our money. Their poor discisions and bad legislature got them in that mess and they need to feel the pain so their future discisions will be more thought out. I believe we have already seen tax cuts work, I may get pummeled for saying this but if you can remember the country was in an economic slowdown when W. was elected and then 8 months later came 911, the stock market and cash flow was as bad or worse then as it is now and W cut taxes across the board big buisness/small buiness and gave working americans a stimulas check both of those things put money back in the eonomy and stimulated growth. The biggest difference today is the banking industry is in trouble but they recived funds which they wasted because Bush and congress didn't put any regulation on how it was to be used. In 2001 Bush laid out part of a blueprint that will work, where Bush made his mistake he didn't cut any spending to offset the lost revenue and that's what will have to be different this time. In the short run these projects may create some jobs but if the law makers don't stimulate corperate america we will be right back here in the very near future in worse shape.

[beaglechase]

Pine mt you are right about not giving banks our money. Their poor discisions and bad legislature got them in that mess and they need to feel the pain so their future discisions will be more thought out. I believe we have already seen tax cuts work, I may get pummeled for saying this but if you can remember the country was in an economic slowdown when W. was elected and then 8 months later came 911, the stock market and cash flow was as bad or worse then as it is now and W cut taxes across the board big buisness/small buiness and gave working americans a stimulas check both of those things put money back in the eonomy and stimulated growth. The biggest difference today is the banking industry is in trouble but they recived funds which they wasted because Bush and congress didn't put any regulation on how it was to be used. In 2001 Bush laid out part of a blueprint that will work, where Bush made his mistake he didn't cut any spending to offset the lost revenue and that's what will have to be different this time. In the short run these projects may create some jobs but if the law makers don't stimulate corperate america we will be right back here in the very near future in worse shape.

I can agree on the banks mishandling money, and it would be hardpressed to trust them any further...but the tax cuts and stimlus package working I don't see the results, actualy the country is in a deppression, so we need to come to the reality of that. I don't believe we should blame Clinton for a slow down in the economy, everything was working pretty good when he left office. and Reagon was the coupult that weakened the unions, and that has about destroyed the working class people of this country, and scab labor shows you that people are so deperate for any kind of job, they would step across the backs of anyone who gets in their way....you don't see labor in our area ever backing a republican...Reagon disrupted the steel Industry so bad, they almost went under, and employees was laid off by the thousands replaced by contract labor..the middleclass has about went into extinction...to satisfy the greed of corporate America.. US STEEL Corp. took concessions off the backs of its employees and used the money to buy Marathon Oil, they were given tax relief only to use the money to diversify, and now they have troulbe getting qualified people to work for them today, because they can not be trusted....Corporate America only look at the bottom line, and labor is just a necessary evil to them..when the unemployement checks run out what then. the republican regime has got us in a crunch...and now they want to keep us there to make it look bad on Obama....

[Rabbithoundjb]

Beaglechase if the country was in such good shape when Clinton left Gore would have won in a landslide. I can't believe you, man Clinton stayed in legal trouble or women trouble the whole time he was in the white house not to mention the terrible legislation he signed during his term. The banking meltdown is a direct result of Clinton deregulation. I guess we can't blame the deficit or the war on Bush. That's where me and you differ if it's a democrat you don't think they should have any accountability and I don't care what letter is in front of his name if he is responsible, he is responsible plain and simple. You didn't see the results because you didn't want to, if your telling me that the country didn't recover economically from 911than your so partisan there is no need to dicuss this any farther.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

[beaglechase]

Beaglechase if the country was in such good shape when Clinton left Gore would have won in a landslide. I can't believe you, man Clinton stayed in legal trouble or women trouble the whole time he was in the white house not to mention the terrible legislation he signed during his term. The banking meltdown is a direct result of Clinton deregulation. I guess we can't blame the deficit or the war on Bush. That's where me and you differ if it's a democrat you don't think they should have any accountability and I don't care what letter is in front of his name if he is responsible, he is responsible plain and simple. You didn't see the results because you didn't want to, if your telling me that the country didn't recover economically from 911than your so partisan there is no need to dicuss this any farther.

I believe in the recount, Gore did win,,but never the less, Clinton to my knowledge only left semen stain on a dress, of a certain woman, but it fails when you compare the queers coming out of the closet under the the republican regime...While Clinton may have had sex with Ms Monica, Bush wasted valueable resources to save face for his dad, but screwed the whole country with his intelligence report leading up to a unecessary war, which has depleted our countries wealth..Everybody on here wants facts,,but wouldn't know it when it hits them in the face. all they haft to due is look how much we owe China and other asian countries,beside the oil producing nations, that might be where the first 350billion has gone. and one more thing could you list those things Clinton was found guilty for sure that special prosecuteor found something in the 8yrs, he was bilking the american public It has been over 8yrs since Clinton left office, and the claims you made about deregulation, could have been rectified long before now...one of the best things Reagon ever done was always put the blame somewhere else..and so it continues

[2500 HD]

I hate to say it, but it is so true. We as American's want to save a buck anywhere we can. Wal Mart used to sell products made in the USA, hard to find anything with "made in USA" there aymore. Wal Mart has caused many small family owned stores close up, they cannot compete with high volume sales. IF we as American's could just make Wal Mart alone go back to their original "Made in the USA" products on their shelves, we might see a turn around in jobs in America. Just 1 thought from 1 man, take it for what it's worth!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rabbithoundjb]

Beaglechase there you go again if Clinton was as good as you make him there wouldn't have been a need for a recount. Secondly the democrats support gay rights not the republicans in fact the only gay in Washington that I know of is Barney Frank a democrat. Clinton was found guilty of being involved in tooo many unethical, immoral goings on for it to be coincident. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, looks like a duck, most likely a duck.

The housing market was stong until the last couple of years. So even if they would've added regulation it would've been tooo late the loans were tooo many and already made. Talk about trying to shift blame HMMM.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

[beaglechase]

so many questions I have asked? and nobody can address them with facts. if we never borrowed a nickel how long would it take to pay what debt we have accumulated in the past 8yrs off. and just how did we get in the mess were in? and did not the attack on America take place on sept. 01 01 eight months after Bush took office. and you want to blame Clinton, come on!!!!!

[bluegrass]

I believe the post is titled America---Economy---Job---Creation, not MORE BUSH BASHING...


Good grief, Bush is gone and you libs still need him for a whipping post.



Get a life dude.




Tony

[tinymwoods]

IT SEEMS TO ME THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS A POSSABILITY THAT MIGHT HELP,IF THE GOVERNMENT STARTS INVESTING IN ROADS,BRIDGES,RAILROADS,PASSENGER TRAINS,TO NAME A FEW,THE PEOPLE THAT WORK AT THESE JOBS COULD BUY FROM THE SMALL BUSINESS'S,, THEY COULD HIRE MORE PEOPLE AND THEY WOULD BUY MORE AND THE ECONOMY MIGHT START MOVING
PINE MT

The biggest problem with this idea is how we do government contracts. Running a small buisness I have been kicked to the side by state and local governments because I can not compete with the big box stores on price. I make less of a mark-up than they do and still can not compete. I have a few things I am cheaper on, but I buy a truck load of wooden posts per month where Tractor Supply buys 2 a day average for their company. I can't compete with the volume. With the volume comes pricing breaks. If I buy a post for $3.68 and sell it for $4.29 I have done well. My competitor buys the same post for $3.32 and sells it for $4.19. Where are you going to buy? That is how we are "outbid" on contracts as small buisnessmen. I don't blame contractors for selling a little cheaper to companies that keep them in buisness, but a small companie can not be competitive. We need to get back to the basics. There use to be small hardware stores with staff that knew what they were talking about. Now we go to Lowesand ask a high school kid what 1047/6/12 1/2 Class 3 Hitensile wire means. I know this because I know my buisness and have been trained. I know Sevin Dust is not going to be offered in 10% any more and that bags of the dust have been replaced by shaker cans this year. I know the chemical formula of Senin has been changed this year. I know the gas can as we know it has been banned by the EPA and the new ones take a rocket scientist to operate (just a 3 step system to pour gas, but not alot of fun and $10 higher). Sorry to ramble, but let's not forget we, the American people, not government, put small buisness out of buisness. Instead of loaning small buisness money to stimulate the economy, why not give it to them? Afraid they may be able to show something for it, or that some bank can't let the new CEO buy a new Lexus.

[Pine Mt Beagles]