POLL- SYRIAN INTERVENTION YES/NO?

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Re: POLL- SYRIAN INTERVENTION YES/NO?

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Again, who says an abortion is murder? According to 65 percent of our country and the Supreme Court does not consider it murder under the right circumstances.. Or do you just not like that part of the constitution that gives women control of their bodies....
This argument always kills me. Once a woman has become pregnant, it's no longer just her body. When Dr. Ron Paul was asked his stance on abortion, and at what point a fetus was considered a human, he stated that when he went through his medical internship he was taught that if a pregnant woman came into his emergency room, he didn't have one patient to care for, but two.

When a pregnant woman and her developing baby die due to murder or manslaughter, the offender is charged with 2 counts, not one. Even if she's just a few weeks along. The unborn is a legal entity, period. So tell me, why is a developing fetus not considered a human life in the cases of "a baby is not real convenient right now." Yeah, do whatever you want to your own body, but leave the baby's alone.

And if you have 9 minutes, watch this, and I dare anyone to find the holes in it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66jpPCIzza8

begles, why do you disparage perfectly good open discussion? These are issues that concern us, and we want to talk about them. It affects us as a nation. And we can form solid opinions by reading a lot of different ones. Yes, I could move this thread to the political forum, and if the criers can't see their way past this thread to get to the beagle topics, I might. But for now, I see no harm in it remaining here.

I would remind everyone to keep name calling out of it. Try to elevate yourselves just enough to avoid it. Scream it at your monitors if you must, but don't type it, please.

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I vote no.Very good post Bev

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God knows us as we are in the womb. Its a life now why syria kills there own people i can care less, we have abortions across this country every minute of the day. However to us as a used to be christian nation its ok. Its not ok. Vote no.
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Mapel Valley Kennels LLC. wrote:God knows us as we are in the womb. Its a life now why syria kills there own people i can care less, we have abortions across this country every minute of the day. However to us as a used to be christian nation its ok. Its not ok. Vote no.

If you believe in things like "god" and such, then ya, I could see where you might have a problem with it.. BUT, not everyone believes in god and it is their right to believe in whatever they want and it is protected under the constitution.

You have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER, to push your beliefs on the general population of society as far as the law is concerned. Preach to them and convert them, fine, but you cannot legislate Christian values onto society..

The Salem Witch Trials, slavery, persecuting gays, temperance, are all failures of religion on our society. We do not need the bible to run our country. I realize I am a minority on this and since I have a bible degree I know it sounds weird coming from me but Christianity is a bane on this country and not the blessing you guys see it as. It is a crutch we use to excuse our behaviors and an ideal we can't live up too.

Bev- I will watch that video tonight (it is blocked on my network right now). Thank you for letting this thread stay up.
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And you have no right pushing your beliefs on society, that goes both ways. There shouldn't be any structure, welcome to the liberal utopia where you take from whom ever you want and kill whom ever you want to. There is no right or wrong just everyones personnel beliefs.

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Salem Witch Trials, slavery, persecuting gays, temperance, are all failures of religion on our society. We do not need the bible to run our country. I realize I am a minority on this and since I have a bible degree I know it sounds weird coming from me but Christianity is a bane on this country and not the blessing you guys see it as. It is a crutch we use to excuse our behaviors and an ideal we can't live up too.

And you have to have said the stupidest thing i heard today. I can only smile when i know i am saved,my debt has been paid.
And when you say that we dont need the bible to run this country ? You as well as anyone that fills that way are my friend lost.
We are beginning to see how taking god outta of everything is working out for us. It aint .
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boys, boys, boys there are two things in life you can't sit and argue about politics, and religion. politics can start a fire, religion is hard to know whos right!!!!! just sayin!!!!!!! :biggrin:

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sorry Bev, did not mean to make anyone mad. just tired of all the fighting. we all need to get along.

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Rabbithoundjb wrote:And you have no right pushing your beliefs on society, that goes both ways. There shouldn't be any structure, welcome to the liberal utopia where you take from whom ever you want and kill whom ever you want to. There is no right or wrong just everyones personnel beliefs.

You make a VERY VERY VALID point that "liberals" i.e. atheists have to deal with.... I have no good answer for you bud. If you replace what people "think" are Christian values then you have to replace it with something. I don't have a good answer for you other than this:

I for one believe that values come from shared meaning in society of what is right and wrong. We don't need some false book telling us how to live our lives like sheep. The bible is an outdated book most people use wrongly anyways. Even bible religions can't get along.. I don't need a bible to tell me not to kill people, I know its wrong because I don't want others to do it to me.

I don't have to worship some fairy in the sky to make me complete and I don't need to see or believe in heaven and justice in a mythical afterlife when I can try and make the most out of what the universe somehow dealt me. I don't have to justify why a god would allow millions of starving kids to die every year or allow women to be raped. If god is watching this happen and isn't doing anything about it, he is an A-hole and he has a lot of apologizing to do. I don't care what stupid fruit we supposedly ate to make him mad.

ALso, the evidence against god is getting stronger every single day. Age of the earth, evolution, DNA/Genetics, age of Universe, Carbon Dating, etc.. I used to deny all of this stuff because I WANTED TO BELIEVE.. My life sucked bad till I started going to church and then it got really good. But it wasn't a causal relationship.
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The Bible is out dated.
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Bev wrote:
There is no good side to the war in Syria. It's a lose-lose. We need to step back, let them do what they will, and let God sort that mess out. Until they are a direct threat to the U.S., or until the U.N. says go, I say "no." That country may need to implode.
Typical stance for a pro life person. None of your concern ,if they use sarin gas on live Syrian children and babies. Since their not Unborn Americans . Not saying I am for bombing Syria , just do not understand your selective prolife attitude.

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Begles I hate to say it but I don't see everyone getting along ever again, this country has become so divided. I remember when prayer and the pledge where taken out of school. As I have gotten older I can understand prayer as there are people who are non christians but the pledge, I say if your allegience isn't here go where ever in the he!! it is. Same thing with same sex marriage, I don't have a problem with gays or lesbians but don't try and call it marriage because it can't naturally further civilization, period. Same with abortion I don't believe in it but if a women makes that discision its on her as long as I in NO way am forced through my tax dollars to fund it. I don't believe in taking from one man something he earned to give to another who did nothing to earn it. I could go on and on and on, truth is people have become less and less dependent holding themslves accountable and responsible for themselves and more and more dependent on someone else providing them a safty net.

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Rabbithoundjb
very well said, i couldn`t agree with you more. now days nobody is willing to be acountable for them self.

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I am Pro Life and Pro Guns i think its ok to get up and supply food and money for your family. I like having stuff and i dont want the goverment involed in my life more than i deem fit. Life is just a boat we just need to use more common sense when establishing who needs to ride and who needs to pull. I fill that welfare has gotton way out of control as well as big spending. I dont think goverment is elected to get wealthy, they are suppose to help us not work against. Why would i legalize pot? Thats a terrible ideal. Why do teachers tell kids early on that the world is millions of years old? It is not. And why do we want to get involed with every crisis in the world? I dont care about syria, really. Why dont we back up and punt as a country. As for me i wish we had More Rand Pauls in office and less lifetime officals.Of any Party.
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Mo.Beagler 5000, ain't you glad your mother decided not to have an abortion when she was carrying you?? We'll be praying for you.

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