Murray Energy lays off 150 workers-Coal

[Bunnyblaster]

And this one's on me........I remembered "shutdown" instead of "showdown". And not to make excuses for myself but in the end it's kinda saying the same thing. Like I said Obama made a similar but more politically correct statement.

Bunnyblaster

Here read this and the fact it has been proven true.

But-Remember what the Presiden said He told power plant's they would have to clean up their act.---He said nothing about Mining of coal.

Now Romney's --Stance on Coal--But ,also Remember ,Romney did so much flip floping Most American's thought he was rolling.

[Rated True:
Romney stood in front of a coal plant, pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.’”
October 17, 2012
By Anomaly
The difference between the debate Tuesday night and the first Presidential debate was vast. While speaking in the Town Hall setting in New York, both candidates spoke of oil, coal and energy.

President Obama said that Republican candidate Mitt Romney changed his tune on coal, stating that in Massachusetts he ”stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.”

PolitiFact:

Obama said Romney has changed his tune about coal, claiming that in Massachusetts he “stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.’”

Romney was the newly elected governor when a showdown erupted over the coal-burning Salem Harbor Power Station. Obama quoted Romney accurately when he said the governor entered the controversy by saying the plant “kills people.”

We rate his statement True.

And after all of that not that it'll make a difference but I have never slung mud directly personally towards you so I don't appreciate it in reverse. It's called having an adult conversation. Is it just that you can't admit at times you may be wrong about something? I know I can.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

You show me the statement where, I slung Mud and I ,will Appologize.

is that fair enough.

[Bunnyblaster]

Re: Murray Energy lays off 150 workers-Coal
by Bunnyblaster » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:29 am

So just so I understand all of this correctly.........

1. Romney apparently made the statement you just quoted and Romney is responsible for the plant closing in Massachusetts, not the E.P.A. Which as coal burning plants close coal mining facilities won't be far behind so he would be responsible for that too?


I never said any thing that you could even in a Republican twisted ignorant mind remotely close to or did I imply ThatRomney closed any plant of any kind.I simply posted something he had said ,But that is to be expected ,Romney is an idiot even for some one from the Planet Kolob,
And The President said the coal plant's would have to clean up and I do in fact agree if they don't want to spend the money to clean them up shut them down ,and don't give it a second thought -Because when they were putting their money in the Cayman Island's ,,instead of upgrading their plant's -they did not give that a second thought.


2. Obama made a similar statement(maybe a little more "politically correct") by saying they need to clean up which he also followed up by saying regulations will be so strict that it will be cost prohibitive to burn coal so eventually they will go out of business anyway even if they do. So either close now because you're not meeting the standards or spend a bunch of money to come up to the standards and go out of business anyway because you will go bankrupt. Again, as coal burning plants continue to close so will coal mines as there will be no demand for the coal. But in his case earlier you stated it is because of the E.P.A. not because of Obama? And on that same note if they were not truly meeting standards in the past then what in the he!! are we spending our tax dollars on the E.P.A. for in the first place?! See again nobody be it the government or in this case the coal plants are willing to take responsibility for their owns actions. The only difference is the government has the power to force companies out of business even if they themselves are partly to blame for the mess in the first place.

You can't just point out specifics from Romney and gloss over the things the President says. That is in general my issue with most people regardless of what side they are on. Just try to remember, there are 2 sides to every story and when people base a decision on only part of the information they are making a misinformed decision. One of this country's biggest issues is the people don't do their part to inform themselves and only go off of the things they hear from the media and read on the internet.......and both can be either taken out of context or sometimes just out and out lies. While I don't deny that guys like Glen and Rush generally show right wingers in a good light it also works the same in reverse when it comes to the major media outlets. I can't tell you how many times I've heard one of Rush's shows and then watched it selectively replayed in the media later that same day intentionally taken out of context. If you aren't willing to listen to all sides then you are not qualified to speak intelligently about the issues or make a judgement on someone's character. And when I say "you" I am referring to anyone, not just you yourself.

First Rush Limbaugh
Is a confessed drug dealer, a felon ,who used an illegal immigrant to smuggle his dope ,into the country a ow life Piece of trash ,and should never be allowed to imprint his stupidity on the AMERICAN PUBLIC,
And Glen Beck -is a NAZI -piece of trash that should not be allowed to Transmit his trash on the air way's -,Just to Compare these two low life scum bag's to any one is an insult.
And the main stream media is Republican ,And I do in fact listen to both sides you cannot debate with out knowing both sides of an issue that is why the Republican's regular's posting here can't debate they are so partisan-and just pain one sided most of the time they don't even know what they are saying.

I watched every Romney -add ,that I could and watched every speech he made -I never found ---one ---true statement in any of his speeches and his add's were pathetic -nothing more than blatant lies.
He was a fake ,an empty shell.Republican's are finally telling the truth about him thing's they would not say until after American's soundly rejected him.

Unless I am mistaken and that was not directed at me??? I do not consider myself to be twisted and ignorant.

[Bunnyblaster]

Of course looking back I used the word ignorance once or twice.......didn't think I aimed it at any one specific though.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

It was a general statement,Republican's ,in general have a twisted way of looking at thing's.

They blame a Rape on the woman.

They blame a company going broke either on A Democrat President,,or,,the employee's .

They say the poor are poor because they want to be,even if both parent's work.at minimum wage job's.

So it's a general statement aimed at no one .

I try very hard not to get personal--and it takes a lot -But -it happen's ,and I do apologize.

[Newt]

Don't let it keep you awake at night. No one rational takes you seriously.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

Newt
I don't sleep anyway,1 1/2 hrs at a time is a long time for me.

But,telling a Republican ,they are wrong don't bother me ,or a Democrat for that matter.

I personally would like to see both parties gone ,,have a popular vote.for every office,State wide for house and senate and national for President.

no lobbyist
no special interest
no donation's except private citizen's
The Constitution and Bill of Right's ---upheld

[Pine Lakes]

It was a general statement,Republican's ,in general have a twisted way of looking at thing's.

They blame a Rape on the woman.

No they don't that's another lie. Show proof of your lie, and one idiot saying something doesn't always represent an entire group.

They blame a company going broke either on A Democrat President,,or,,the employee's .

Proof please. Otherwise just another dumb PMB lie. Although there must be a reason 99% of business owners are Republican. The 1% is probably the 4:20 clinic owners.

They say the poor are poor because they want to be,even if both parent's work.at minimum wage job's.

Another false accusation. What they do say is many of the people choose to take advantage of the system. Screwing those that work, or can't work, but deserve help. Robbing from the needy and those that make help possible(tax payers).

So it's a general statement aimed at no one .

The democratic ticket supports family planning, abortion, higher taxes, gay marriage, suppression of religous freedom, forced government healthcare, anti-gun rights, and essentially government control of everything. All in the name of fairness, and you call the republicans way of thinking twisted? You just gave yourself away to all that aren't brainwashed.

I try very hard not to get personal--and it takes a lot -But -it happen's ,and I do apologize.

You don't need to apologize as most here expect that you will do it again very soon. It is personal as these issues effect our daily lives. What aggravates me is when you bash Republicans with every post and never, I mean never, say something remotely negative about a democrat. You claim not be be either, but your ideals posted on this board are way left. I think you really believe in socialism or even communism, but are afraid to say it publicly. That's not meant as an insult as you are free(at the moment) to believe whatever you want.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

You don't need to apologize as most here expect that you will do it again very soon. It is personal as these issues effect our daily lives. What aggravates me is when you bash Republicans with every post and never, I mean never, say something remotely negative about a democrat. You claim not be be either, but your ideals posted on this board are way left. I think you really believe in socialism or even communism, but are afraid to say it publicly. That's not meant as an insult as you are free(at the moment) to believe whatever you want.

-
-Chip
Thank's for that post -or that part of it,,
First I changed my Registration back in the fall and posted the fact that I did Change to Democrat--I am not a 100 % -Democrat ,Because I am not Liberal ,but at this time in history America does not need people with one leg on each side of the fence,Republican's are attacking American's with a vengeance in many area's -from job's ,,women's right's,the poor sick and elderly ,Social Security ,Medicare ,health care,and much more ,So American's must stop them,
And I have spoken against Democrat's ,not much,about like you have posted against Republican's ,and ,I have said many time's there are enough Democrat basher's here -that is the reason I even started posting here,I really did not have a lot in common with the Democrat Party,until I started posting a difference of opinion ,from the Republican's ,who posted here at that time,But ,one day ,one of the guy's said do some research,and so I did for over -5-year's I have read both sides of every political issue of either party,I have learned,that what I had Thought all my life was only a small part of nothing.
But,I think from your post's you are really a skin head Nazi ,but,are just to ashamed to admit it,That's not meant as an insult as you are free,I mean Democrat free-like really free,Not Republican free ,you are free ,only,as long as you do what Republican's think you should do .

[Pine Lakes]

You don't need to apologize as most here expect that you will do it again very soon. It is personal as these issues effect our daily lives. What aggravates me is when you bash Republicans with every post and never, I mean never, say something remotely negative about a democrat. You claim not be be either, but your ideals posted on this board are way left. I think you really believe in socialism or even communism, but are afraid to say it publicly. That's not meant as an insult as you are free(at the moment) to believe whatever you want.

-
-Chip
Thank's for that post -or that part of it,,
First I changed my Registration back in the fall and posted the fact that I did Change to Democrat--I am not a 100 % -Democrat ,Because I am not Liberal ,but at this time in history America does not need people with one leg on each side of the fence,Republican's are attacking American's with a vengeance in many area's -from job's ,,women's right's,the poor sick and elderly ,Social Security ,Medicare ,health care,and much more ,So American's must stop them,
And I have spoken against Democrat's ,not much,about like you have posted against Republican's ,and ,I have said many time's there are enough Democrat basher's here -that is the reason I even started posting here,I really did not have a lot in common with the Democrat Party,until I started posting a difference of opinion ,from the Republican's ,who posted here at that time,But ,one day ,one of the guy's said do some research,and so I did for over -5-year's I have read both sides of every political issue of either party,I have learned,that what I had Thought all my life was only a small part of nothing.
But,I think from your post's you are really a skin head Nazi ,but,are just to ashamed to admit it,That's not meant as an insult as you are free,I mean Democrat free-like really free,Not Republican free ,you are free ,only,as long as you do what Republican's think you should do .

A skin head Nazi? Just what I would expect a white southern liberal, who used to be in the Klan, like you to say. You are stupid, and that is meant as an insult. You haven't looked at crap in 5 yrs other than left winged smear like the Huff Post. You continually bring up an imaginary war against women, elderly, and minorities because you have no ground to stand on. You don't deserve to breath american air, you communist POS! Have a nice day idiot.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

So basically you admit, you are a skin head Nazi -and just ignore that You support them,An if you are stupid to know that Republican's are attacking ,worker's ,women,the poor sick and elderly ,and have been no wonder you make such stupi dpost ,what did you dso sleep through te last campaign..

51 % of American's agree with what I said while about 1 % agree with you .

[Bunnyblaster]

As heated as political issues can get name calling doesn't get either side anywhere. The odds of changing anybody's mind are slim to nil and imo that's a big part of the problem. When did it become such a bad thing to consider other opinions and options? I do think part of the problem is the trickery and sometimes blatant dishonesty that goes on with our politicians........from both sides. It has gotten to the point where it seems most of them will say anything to get either re-elected or a bill passed. Also, I am fairly young and have only been following politics for 10 years or so but I do notice things go in cycles and before long America will swing back the other way........it seems almost inevitable. I often use Clinton as an example because he was liked by a lot of people yet republicans won the White House after his term was up. Why? Who knows for sure. And on the other side of that if Bush was so bad then why did he get re-elected for a second term?

I think I'm gonna start a new thread and see who will play along.........it should be interesting.