14 Billion Auto Bailout Dies in Senate

[wildhare2]

Tony,

What I think was trying to be said was, if there were no unions than they could get away with poor working conditions, un-safe conditions, and such. If there were no unions, then every other competitor with any and all unions would pay their people less money. I know that when the union people get raises, then the non union competition has to raise their pay to keep employees there. JMO

[foxxy]

I didn't think Toyota was i have many Friends that work down at the Princeton plant.
but any ways i agree get rid of the lazy asses do like Toyota does and if their is no work send them in to the surrounding communities
and they paint cut grass weed eat, any thing Prineton or surounding town need help with labor wise the will help if thy can. Toyota is pround they have not laid off anyon that is hired on with them. the reason is 42 dallars an hout to 80 plus

I think you need to gather all information, as you are comparing apples and oranges, Toy vrs American.
Toy is loaded with temporary help or what are known as Temps. This is how they brag about not laying anyone off, the temps are all gone now, no jobs, but they never laid off any full time help. Also alot of their work is subcontracted or subed-out, so that won't show up either.
I think the headlines this week showed Toy reporting losses, soon you will see the true Toy Co. We have many Temps around that have lost their jobs with toy, one I know got the ax for a torn pocket on their uniform shirt, that all they need to say, "your out".
One Toy plant is shut down in Princeton, where did all those workers go if no layoffs? They were filled with Temp help that got low wages and no benefits, their jobs were in jeopardy constantly. Now they are all gone and they only have enough full time employees to run one plant, that must mean 50% of their employees were part time help.
You guys need to learn all the facts before you go shooting the American union worker in the foot. They set the standard for the rest of America and the World.

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temp know when they hire in what is at stake a hope for a job. I work where half the employees are temps and they do have to walk a tight rope. and ya to showed a loss for the first time since i think 1941. but there full time workers still EARNED a check. and low wage 13 dollars hour isn't bad. so low wage i don't know and i know some of them workers in that plant that shut down went to a plant in louisville. and the other did do comunity work and worked in other factories. i was just saying they can get bye on a lower wage hell the ceo of toyota maks 1 million dollars a year how about gm or dodge ceo's

[bluegrass]

Justin, I understand what he was TRYING to say, but Charles has a very pro union point of view and I was trying to point out the fallacy of that particular statement. I think its a pretty hard sell right now to try and get sympathy from the American people for the unions. I do think the Management and CEO's are very much overpaid, but I in turn also think the union workers are overpaid...I am in a union. Not by choice, but because its cheaper than getting billed by the union for services done in my behalf. However the people in my area that do a SIMILAR job get paid about the same as me without the hassles of the union. Most businesses in this country are NOT union businesses and although there MAY be exceptions, there isnt rampant, country wide abuses of workers and decrepit working conditions prevalent like was around when unions actually served the workers interests. I think unions are dinosaurs that should be allowed to go the way of other extinct, non needed entities in this country without the TAXPAYERS, ahem....TAXPAYERS!!!! being FORCED to fund them so they can continue their crooked ways.



Tony

[foxxy]

i am not against or for a union but they have there places but they have to realize they don't run the country
i sure would hate to see ford , gm or dodge shut down do to a union will not talk and has there workers buffaloed
in thinking there isnt any thing anyone can to to stop them from shutting the doors

[Pine Mt Beagles]

[bluegrass]

I THINK THERE IS PLENTY OF SUPPORT FOR THE UNIONS




Yeah, exactly where is the proof of that???




Tony

[Pine Mt Beagles]

[bluegrass]

Uh, maybe YOU should read my posts and see where I have no choice but to pay into it, that doesnt mean I support what it stands for...duh. Stupid of me to assume you meant nationwide support instead of the FEW that post here...check out the link at the end of this post and tell me that unions are based in reality pal.




Tony



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,472304,00.html

[barnold1]

Union members may be taxpayers too, but for every dollar they make through the union racket, they darn sure aren't paying that same dollar or more in taxes, are they? Maybe they have a little more interest in keeping the status quo, instead of fixing the problems????

[Tim H]

Bluegrass, that is an excellent link about those greedy CEO's. Oh no, that article is about those saints who are raising everybody's wages for them and making the work place safer.

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/photo ... lakes5.jpg

No school I ever went to looked like this. I think they're making a model of what public (schools) or "education centers" should look like. How can we expect them to make concessions when they are expanding the horizons on "education" in the United States of America?

[Pine Mt Beagles]

[barnold1]

There's a hell of a lot of unskilled "labor" under the union umbrella for each executive.....If the execs are pulling down say a combined 8-figure amount, that doesn't come close to accounting for losses in the billions, now does it????? When the Big 3 have thousands extra in parasitic costs for each vehicle produced and they try to compensate putting out crap-quality product while banking on blind loyalty from buyers, that just doesn't cut it with the ejamacated types.

Just think, if the unions can succeed in getting every worker in the country overpaid, then the price of everything will go through the roof. Can the economy afford to have burger flippers (they can stand in line and do a repetitive, thoughtless function while bitching about THE MAN too) making 70-80k with a pension plan? If so, here comes the $25 Big Mac and good-bye dollar value menu!!!! Does that fix the problem???? Looking forward to a government breadline????

[bluegrass]

You didnt click on the link I posted did you Pine Mountain???





Tony

[Pine Mt Beagles]

[bluegrass]

I get down to Kentucky a few times each year, less for rabbit hunting now that my dad has arthritis so bad he cannot get out...We used to hunt over in Hubbs Creek quite often when we would go though. Not too far from you, some old reclaimed mines and strip pits. Plenty of rabbits if the coyotes haven't been through in a while...


As for the CEO's wasting money, I do not disagree. I think the money is corrupting to both the union bosses as well as the company bosses...I personally would like to see higher profit sharing for workers without the union brass getting their hands on it...but no one can objectively say that a union owning a 33 million dollar resort with a 6 million dollar golf course that they DO NOT INTEND TO GIVE UP is a wise decision or one that illicits very much support amongst the rest of the US workers...especially when its used for fat cat union bosses to retreat to. I suspect that CEO's spend as much or more but that doesnt make it right for the Unions to do it too...two wrongs dont make one right.

I am going out tomorrow too...finally got rid of most of the snow we had, plenty of ice but the hounds should be able to run the thickets where the snow has melted out. Good luck to you, I know its been warm out in Kentucky recently, my dad said it got up to around 70 yesterday...





Tony