Obama, Guns & Paranoia

[tommyg]

Liberals are never going to do anything but lie and whine,thats all they are good for. As for Dr Chris he is a lost cause. He OD'ed on the Kool Aid. Liberals are the Death of this Nation. Look out in CA prop 8 was voted in and now the ACLU and Hollywood has attacked the right of the people trying to get it over turned in the courts and it more than likely get over turned. Dr Chris the war was just,ask the Iraqies,Bush put a hurtin on Al Quida. I hate to think that the US will become weak but this Administration will weakin this Nation. Dr Chris go try to BS someone else I've had way better than you try!

[Pine Mt Beagles]

[barnold1]

I think the US death toll in this war is up around 5,000? If so, isn't that about what those dirty-assed towelheads knocked off in one day on our own soil? I guess we could have taken the liberal approach and sat on our asses, trying to understand why they hated us so Instead, I think our troops have busted a head or two over there and if anything they should have left the full press on longer to remind them who's the world power. Nobody should come and crap on our front porch without paying the piper!

For anyone that overspent and got themselves in financial distress, what the hell is wrong with stepping up and facing the music instead of sticking their hand out and expecting the next generation(s) to bail their asses out? Can't anyone hold themselves accountable for their actions in this darn country anymore?

I'm against this baby killing for the sake of convenience, but the liberals are condoning a way to keep their numbers in check. Pest control?

[Tim H]

Dr. Chris
Lolol copy and paste? I am sorry if I speak over your head, but regardless where you think I get my ideas from, you can’t ignore the truth.

You are not speaking over my head, you are simply speaking liberal propaganda. It's clear where you get your ideas, you sited the sources.

These are your sources:

Marquis – New York Times . Pretty sure they are liberal. Endorsed Obama.
Sirota & Harvey – In These Times- Liberal Magazine
CAP Progress Report – Center for American Progress- A liberal website you can look up to verify.
Risen & Johnston - New York Times-Once again pretty sure they’re liberals.
BBC News-Now there’s an unbiased group, right?
Washington Times – One source that could not be pegged as liberal.
Gilliard – Daily Kos- A liberal Blog
Rivers-Pitt – Truthout.org –Radical Liberal Blog
McGovern –AlternNet – Liberal Opinion Website
NBC News – The same NBC that has put out the “Yes we can” Barrack Obama DVD.
Krugman – New York Times – See all above comments on the NYT
Corn – The Nation- Self described as the Flagship of the Left (Liberal)
Washington - Boston Globe – Another publication that endorsed Obama
Daily Mis-Lead – Also known as Moveon.org, often even too radical for most liberals.

They are not a good source when searching for the truth.

moveon.org, The Nations, truthout.org,center for American progress, daily kos. You cannot be serious when you site these as your sources and expect them to add credibility to your "truth" telling. Why not add in Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Acorn, Bill & Hillary Clinton to gain some extra credibility to your story.If you are not cutting and pasting from these liberal sources of yours then you have just been spending far too much time reading them and they have cleared your brain of any independent thought because you sound just like them.

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

Obama is an eleoquent speaker, but just another puppet controlled by the CFR throught the media... which is owned or controlled by the ones that are really driving U.S. and world policy. When one does the research it is pretty clear that we have a one party system in this country. They are playing the good cop, bad cop with the citizens of this country. Divide and conquer is their strategy.
The only "change" you will see under an Obama administration is MORE big brother and socilaism (redistribution of wealth).
Obama has no real expeience to lead this country and that is why he has appointed so many of Clinton's people into office.
The godless rich elite have just proven that they have the power to get anyone elected president.

[Tim H]

Those of you who think President Bush made up this lie to go to war, then how do you explain these quotes from Democrats? Look at the years in which these quotes come from. Some of these quotes are before President Bush was elected. Some were after he made the statements. Is President Bush such a good liar that the highest level of Democrats believed the lie years before he even told it?

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.Constitution and Laws, to take necessary actions, (including, if appropriate,
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
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"Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999


"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
continue a pace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and Joe Lieberman, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998.
We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated
the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.
He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002


"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan.23.2003

[bluegrass]

Uh, Dr Chris, I would call that CHECKMATE pal...you should go away and lick your wounds now, but libs NEVER do the reasonable thing do they??? LOL




Tony

[tommyg]

Give up fellows Dr Chris is a Conservative hater. He like all Liberals twist every issue to suit them and their twisted agenda.

[Dr. Chris]

Those of you who think President Bush made up this lie to go to war, then how do you explain these quotes from Democrats? Look at the years in which these quotes come from. Some of these quotes are before President Bush was elected. Some were after he made the statements. Is President Bush such a good liar that the highest level of Democrats believed the lie years before he even told it?

Making comments about “Saddam” is not the issue, your trying to change the whole subject. 911 and the lies of George Bush of why we remained in Iraq are. What people are upset about is not the fact that everybody thought that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, and it was not the fact that that everybody knew that he was evil and had tried to purchase and make weapons of mass destruction in the past. What everybody {including most all leaders of other countries} was upset about is when the CIA, British Intelligence and the Senate Intelligence Committee all reported and it was a known fact that there were no weapons of mass destruction, instead of Bush saying he screwed up, he still sent many Americans to their death. His original “screw-up” then turned into his lies to cover up his “screw-up”. It went from that they {Iraq/Saddam} were “responsible for 911”, to “they assisted Osama with 911”, to “they had weapons of mass destruction”, and to we need to remain in war to “liberate a suppressed nation”. And now we know that there is a larger % of people in Iraq that’s wants us out, than the smaller % that wants us there. And as for the % of the people that wants us there, why not? They have how many billions in surplus? And the war is on who’s dime? And our economy is where? As far as the comments towards Saddam, world leaders and people from all nations knew that he was evil, that was never a question. The fact is, we went there to wage war on those that were responsible for 911. Years later, Osama is in Afghanistan {were he has always been} sitting back and watching George Bush make an ass out of himself and America with the rest of the world watching. That is why when this thing first started there was support from armed forces from many countries from all over the world, but they bailed out when the truth surfaced, they no longer would support America in a war under false pretences. And those men from the “quotes” that you posted? Yes, they knew Saddam was evil years before, when George Bush was still back screwing the state of Texas up. Even though they made those comments about Saddam, they also bailed out of supporting Bush in this war when the truth came out. Apparently so did the majority of America or his approval rating would have not been at 18%. They made those comments and believed them, but removing Saddam was not why we were in Iraq, 911 was. Staying in Iraq the extra “years” that we have was to cover Bush’s ass. At the time of 911 everybody was devastated and was looking for somebody to blame and was making many comments. It’s what was done with the knowledge of the truth when it did come out, that upset everybody {including other countries and world leaders}and turned them against Bush. He stuck to his guns, covered his mistakes with lies instead of fessing up, remained in Iraq and got us in the middle of what should have been their Civil War, and has done nothing to get Osama, who is the one that caused 911 and is the sole reason we went to war in the first place. I will make these predictions, by one year from this day, Osama will have been caught and the consequences for 911 will finally be dished out. And within 2 years we will start seeing our economy to pick up and in 3 years our troops will finally start to be reuniting with their families. And I don’t think America will ever stick their nose where it doesn’t belong again, not to the extent like George Bush forced us to do, all for nothing.

[KesslerBeagles]

Those of you who think President Bush made up this lie to go to war, then how do you explain these quotes from Democrats? Look at the years in which these quotes come from. Some of these quotes are before President Bush was elected. Some were after he made the statements. Is President Bush such a good liar that the highest level of Democrats believed the lie years before he even told it?

Making comments about “Saddam” is not the issue, your trying to change the whole subject. 911 and the lies of George Bush of why we remained in Iraq are. What people are upset about is not the fact that everybody thought that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, and it was not the fact that that everybody knew that he was evil and had tried to purchase and make weapons of mass destruction in the past. What everybody {including most all leaders of other countries} was upset about is when the CIA, British Intelligence and the Senate Intelligence Committee all reported and it was a known fact that there were no weapons of mass destruction, instead of Bush saying he screwed up, he still sent many Americans to their death. His original “screw-up” then turned into his lies to cover up his “screw-up”. It went from that they {Iraq/Saddam} were “responsible for 911”, to “they assisted Osama with 911”, to “they had weapons of mass destruction”, and to we need to remain in war to “liberate a suppressed nation”. And now we know that there is a larger % of people in Iraq that’s wants us out, than the smaller % that wants us there. And as for the % of the people that wants us there, why not? They have how many billions in surplus? And the war is on who’s dime? And our economy is where? As far as the comments towards Saddam, world leaders and people from all nations knew that he was evil, that was never a question. The fact is, we went there to wage war on those that were responsible for 911. Years later, Osama is in Afghanistan {were he has always been} sitting back and watching George Bush make an ass out of himself and America with the rest of the world watching. That is why when this thing first started there was support from armed forces from many countries from all over the world, but they bailed out when the truth surfaced, they no longer would support America in a war under false pretences. And those men from the “quotes” that you posted? Yes, they knew Saddam was evil years before, when George Bush was still back screwing the state of Texas up. Even though they made those comments about Saddam, they also bailed out of supporting Bush in this war when the truth came out. Apparently so did the majority of America or his approval rating would have not been at 18%. They made those comments and believed them, but removing Saddam was not why we were in Iraq, 911 was. Staying in Iraq the extra “years” that we have was to cover Bush’s ass. At the time of 911 everybody was devastated and was looking for somebody to blame and was making many comments. It’s what was done with the knowledge of the truth when it did come out, that upset everybody {including other countries and world leaders}and turned them against Bush. He stuck to his guns, covered his mistakes with lies instead of fessing up, remained in Iraq and got us in the middle of what should have been their Civil War, and has done nothing to get Osama, who is the one that caused 911 and is the sole reason we went to war in the first place. I will make these predictions, by one year from this day, Osama will have been caught and the consequences for 911 will finally be dished out. And within 2 years we will start seeing our economy to pick up and in 3 years our troops will finally start to be reuniting with their families. And I don’t think America will ever stick their nose where it doesn’t belong again, not to the extent like George Bush forced us to do, all for nothing.

I agree with this particular statement, I don't care WHO it came from. Like someone else said on here, even a watch that don't work still tells the right time twice aday. I believe this statement to be correct 100%, and I'm straight Republican and as conservitive as you can get, but on "this" subject he is right.

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

Then if you believe this and voted for Obama because he is totally against the Iraq war I am sure he will pull the troops out this Janurary....NOT. You see, it's not about President Bush or Obama..it's much bigger than that and you will have to do a little research to figure out how big.

[Tim H]

Who is trying to change the subject?

The "Bush Lied" slogan is about him saying they had weapons of mass destruction. Now re-read the quotes from the Democrats and tell me who made up this lie.
I can't put a much finer point on the subject than just using 2 statements. Read the 2 statements above and maybe you won't be confused about the subject of my post.

[lab]

It doesn't matter if the Democrats or Republicans thought Hussain had mass destruction bombs. Bush has admitted his intelligent was wrong about Iraq having mass destruction bombs. It was Bush's during his terms that put us in war with them. no matter what Clinton said or any of his adminstration they did not go to war with Iraq. Bush should of came out and said we made a mistake and do what he wanted and that was to get Hussain. After that we should of got our troops out of there and let them fight there own battle. that country is in a cival War and when you got three groups of people trying to run the country you will always end up with a Sadam running the country. If you really believe these people over in Iraq is going to run a democratic government I have some Ocean Front property in the desert I would like to sell you. As a President I would of been more worried about North Korea making nucleur bombs. You did not see us jump on them and they would still be making them if China would of not told them to stop. We can talk about the USA being the World Power and Kick Ass but these third world countries are no longer afraid of us. I don't think people understand how many people live in China. China gets along with us because they have become a industrial nation benefiting off the people of the US that are buying there products. I love our country as much as I hope everyone else does that lives in the US but when it comes to push and shove I don't think we want to show are power against countries like China or North Korea unless we are force to. We already tried our luck once against north Korea and where did that get us. I believe if possible try to solve problems and make sure whatever your intelligents are telling you are true facts and not made up before going in an starting a war. I believe we had people over there checking many of there companies to see what they could find in Iraq and they did not come up with much. Bush kept telling Sadam to come forward with all his mass destruction bombs are we were going to war. You cannot give someone something if you don't have it. For me it was not the fact that "Bush went to War but he should of back off after he found out they did not have the bombs he thought they had. There is times that we must go to War and fight but if we try to be the bully all the time we will always be at War. I remember a town in northwest Missouri that there was a Bully who had the whole town scared of him. It was told no one got in his way, stilling livestock and selling them and no one there could stop him. After a while they all held a town meeting and the town bully was shot to death when he came to town one Saturday morning. I believe if we keep telling all these other countries how to live they may all get together against us. I can tell you that many of the countries that went in with us against Iraq found out that they got themselves in a War they did not belong in and left us like a sinking ship. I believe if you can settle the situation in a way other then War then the outcome will be much better.

[barnold1]

Here's the bully town you refer to:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/18/tragic ... index.html

I didn't try to imply that we should bully the rest of the world, but if anybody steps on our soil and takes lives from our people I don't our "leader" to puss out and try to understand them.....

[KesslerBeagles]

Then if you believe this and voted for Obama because he is totally against the Iraq war I am sure he will pull the troops out this Janurary....NOT. You see, it's not about President Bush or Obama..it's much bigger than that and you will have to do a little research to figure out how big.

No don’t get me wrong, I didn’t say anything about voting for anybody or voting one way or the other because of the war, though I do think McCain lost because 2 reasons only, the war and the economy and the “spin” that was put on both of them. I don’t blame Bush for the economy but I do the war. I was saying that I agree with this particular statement on this particular subject. I believe that Bush took us forward into a war with the intentions of holding the people accountable for 911. but after we had already invaded and found out the real people that are responsible for 911 had no ties {Bush’s own words after the fact} than Bush and his administration made up new excuses and reasons to remain there, instead of doing the right thing and pulling out of there and concentrating on Osama. Or, doing the right thing in the first place and waiting for correct intelligence before you jump in a war. Instead we remained there, came up with other excuses of why we stayed there, so we would not look so vulnerable, weak and “stupid” to the rest of the world, which I can understand why they would do that, because you don’t want the world thinking that you are weak, vulnerable or have a lack of security/intelligence. But in the end, we screwed up big and everybody knows it, it cost us a lot of lives, money, respect from nations around the world and Osama has not been touched. So yes I agree with Dr. Chris on “this” particular subject that it was really all for nothing. The whole point was to rain down wrath and revenge on those that were guilty for 911. Men and Women have died, families ruined, lots of children that lost their mom or dad and parents that have lost their children and millions of dollars gone for what? Because Bush and congress {both Dem. & Rep.} wanted to save face to the rest of the world instead of cutting our losses and move on after Osama. And really, the only reason that the American people know as much as we know is because of the elections and the Dem. were going to expose “everything” to the world to make the Rep. look bad even though it was both that made the decisions. So Bush beat the Dems. to the punch finally admitted, and if it were the other way around and it happened to be a Democrat in office as President, the Rep. would have used the same tactics. They are all guilty because they are all crooked and I don’t think we have anything better in the White House now, I do think the Dems got their man in because of Bush’s mistakes. Bush’s wrong doings prevented McCain from getting in the White House more than anything. The message of “change” and “more of the same” worked for a reason, the Dems ran with that because they knew that Bush was so bad, people would of elected Mickey Mouse than have another 4 years of Bush. Even though it was not true, people were not going to take the chance because Bush was so bad. I just think this whole war was a sham. All I am saying, a lot of American blood, billions of dollars and years later and we still have not yet even begun to do the very thing we went to war to do in the first place, to get Osama and revenge for 911. Besides, if we were going to go after a nation that was a threat, and we were not really after Osama, There were much bigger fish to fry than Iraq. Korea, China etc… but who knows, maybe our agenda was to bully and beat up the little guy and make an example out of him so we wouldn’t have to face the big boys. I do know that it is much bigger than we all reolize but I have stuck up for Bush many times over the past few years but I can't just ignor the facts to stick up for Bush when over 5000 lives were lost and billions of dollars blown for George Bush's agendas and Osama and 911 are not even being delt with. I don't think this makes me non-american or non-conservitive, because I am both to the core. I just didn't agree to the war.