Obama as President

[Tim H]

Once again Dr. Chris, you are regurgitating party rhetoric and name calling. There is no substance to your post. Share an original thought about an issue. We know you think the republicans are evil and stupid rednecks. The only purpose behind such statements is to hurl insults. Is that as original as you can be, actually you will find that is just more party rhetoric from the past.

Let me help you focus on an issue. One of the things being funded through this bailout is 35 million to contraceptive education. Explain how that will stimulate the economy and create jobs?

[bluegrass]

Democrats cannot have things both ways, they want to but its not possible....on one hand they have crucified Bush (rightfully so in my opinion) for allowing Congress to spend like drunk sailors...on the other hand, they support and are adamant that we must support as well this massive spending proposed by Obama the Most Merciful...which is it Democrats?? Is spending money that we dont have bad or is it good??


Lemme answer that one for you Dr Chris...its BAD if its Republican spending, its GOOD if its Democrat spending, right?


Nuts.


Its BAD no matter WHO is spending it. Why dont you guys remember that GOVERNMENT HAS NO MONEY OF ITS OWN, it ALL belongs to the American People...and you guys are urging this massive debt to be laid at the feet of our children and grandchildren...you should be ashamed.



Tony

[Pine Mt Beagles]

[Tim H]

The bill got passed through the house without a single republican vote and 11 democrats voted against it as well. Just for your knowledge, nothing of significance that the republicans brought to the table was even considered. This is ALL democrats so they get the blame or credit. Nothing I'm aware of got taken out of the bill. This is the single largest pork bill this country has ever seen. One congressman made the point that this single bill equals more money than what was paid in taxes by all Americans last year. He suggested a better way to stimulate the economy would be to give everyone back all the taxes they paid in 2008 and see how that stimulates the economy. When President Obama says it will get worse before it gets better, all you have to do is look at this bill to see where the worse part comes from. I guess we'll just hope for the better.

[bluegrass]

We are doomed...I really am sorry to my children for what they will have to go through with this guy running or ruining things...this isnt the same country I grew up in. We might as well change our name to the Socialist States of America.



So sad.




Tony

[Pine Mt Beagles]

[Tim H]

Pine Mt, did you not see the alternative bill the republicans offered? They put their bill up and used President Obama's own economic advisers numbers from previous writings and their bill would create twice as many jobs for half the money, no Democrat challenged that truth. So to say the republicans don't care about the American people is way off base.

THE ONLY REASON THEY DID NOT VOTE FOR IT, WAS IT DID NOT CONATIN ENOUGH TAX CUTS FOR THEIR CONSTITUANTS,THEY TOLD OBAMA THEY WANTED TAX CUTS THE DAY THEY MET

How is it that we now see tax cuts as a negative? I am for tax cuts for anyone and everyone.

HE GAVE THEM TAX CUTS,TRYING TO BE BIPARTISIAN

He didn't give them tax cuts, he had the Democratic congress allow them to introduce a tax cut amendment which was then voted down by the democrats.

It's one thing to say your reaching across to the other side, but then vote down everything they send up and ram a $800 billion spending bill down their throat and say sign it as a sign of our bipartisanship is a bit disingenuous. President Obama said he didn't care where the ideas came from, he was going to take the best ones. Tell me how twice the jobs at half the cost is not a better idea.

I am glad ALL the republicans voted against this, now when this whole plan forces people to become dependent on the government for their paycheck they will know that it is the Democrats who did this to them. The democrats and President Obama will now own this economy now, good or bad. They can stop blaming anyone but themselves from this point forward. They say this bill will save the economy, well it looks like they will get the chance to prove it, so don't point any further back then this day when looking for someone to blame when the economy goes further into trouble.

AS FAR AS YOUR POINT ABOUT THE DEBT,YOU CAN LOOK BACK ABOUT EIGHT YEARS TO SEE WHERE IT STARTED AND EXPLAIN THE FACTS TO YOUR CHILDREN

I will ask you the same question Dr. Chris avoided earlier. When did we go into a recession?

Why have you decided to go back to just spitting out party rhetoric? The democrats got what they wanted and they should be happy with that, not angry at republicans.

[Rabbithoundjb]

Pine mt. I will not argue the debt with you ,Bush was a liberal spender without offsetting cuts but you are way off on how we got to where we are. NAFTA Bill Clinton signed into law, Communication reinvestment act Bill Clinton deregulated in 1995 and senator Nagel in 2005 presented legislature to add regulation and oversight back to the CRA and it got 0 votes from the dems ( of course it was already too late so it wouldn't have mattered anyway IMO). and enough dumb repubs voted aginst it to kill it. I will give you some more info in 2000 Bill Clinton deregulated the requirements for investing in futures and that is what drove oil prices up thus driving gas prices up and Bush got the blame for gas prices because he is an oil man. Now I challenge any of you to give me legislature that ties W to NAFTA, the loan debacle or the oil price hike. You don.t have to go in detail I will research it myself just give me a starting point like I have just given you.

[bluegrass]

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS STIMULAS PACKAGE' WILL WORK OR NOT ,




Neither does your president, but he is willing to spend the money anyway. I would rather the AMERICAN PEOPLE be the ones to fix the economy, not government...Pretty expensive experiment wouldnt you say Pine Mountain?? I for one care too much about my country and my kids' futures to saddle them with this outlandish bill they are going to have to pay...I have two 14 year old boys and a 7 year old boy that are going to have to pay for this administrations folly. Forgive me if I am not as excited as you are about government handouts....


Government never solves any problems, it only throws money at them and when it doesnt work they claim it didnt work because they didnt spend enough, and the horrible cycle continues...


I say it again, we are doomed because Americans in great numbers voted for a man with absolutely no idea what he is doing except he knows how to get us all dependent on the Government...Those that voted for him fell for the biggest October Surprise in HISTORY...


Tony

[Pine Mt Beagles]

[Rabbithoundjb]

NAFTA was not passed and Clinton just signed it into law you have been reading too many of Dr. Chris's posts. It had been approved to its current state when Clinton took office. The fact is Clinton negociated 2 amendment to the treaty before it became law. The republicans have had no say inthis package basically Obama and his economic team come up with this and in his words we need to put politics aside and move forward in other words this is what I WANT AND YOU NEED TO PASS IT.

[bluegrass]

Pine Mt, lets do this...wait and see how many PRIVATE SECTOR jobs are created, not government handout bureaucrats, but real jobs, lets see how many homes are actually saved, lets see how the economy recovers. If it does, then I suppose you can say money well spent. I disagree but it can be said. If however these things do NOT materialize, would you at least say then that it was a bad idea and that the Democrats ALONE have failed?? Because Republicans in the House have to a man/woman voted AGAINST this load of crap. As they should.


I think you would support ANYTHING a Democrat does, no matter what damage it would do to this country. You have so far.



Tony

[Tim H]

Again, why is anyone mad at the republicans? The bill passed, the democrats have got what they want. I don't get it, why the anger at the republicans, how they voted was irrelevant to this stimulus package. President Obama wanted this package, the democrats are giving it to him. Is it necessary for everyone to agree with President Obama and his democratic party for people to not be angry?

What do you care how the republicans vote. This is what is going to happen now that the democrats have control of 2/3s of the government. They are going to say here is the bill we like let's debate it and then pass it. In the process if you don't agree with us then you are labeled as obstructionists. You didn't obstruct anything because we passed the bill anyway, but we like to be angry and put blame on you for something.

The really important thing is they are going to work hard to ensure they control 100% of the government as they make appointments to the judiciary. We are dangerously close to a one party system without checks and balances and people want to complain about the party that is getting crushed in a power grab.

We are not talking about politics here, this is real, the democrats have already said this is just a down payment. How many of you think we can afford the rest that is coming down the pipe?

THE REPUBLICANS DIDN'T EVEN MEET WITH THE DEMOCRATS THEY SAID FLAT OUT WITHOUT EVER LOOKING AT THE BILL THEY WOULD NOT VOTE ON IT

You are misinformed. The democrats brought this to the floor and said vote for this. It was after talking to President Obama that the democratic lead house permitted the republicans to add amendments for tax cuts and other provisions that were all voted down and the bill was passed as written by the democrats with only democrat amendments.

HE PUT TAX CUTS IN AND THEY STILL SIT ON THEIR HANDS

Again, he didn't put tax cuts in the bill. They did not sit on their hands, they wrote and proposed an alternate bill that cost half as much and provided twice as many jobs and this was according to President Obamas own economic advisers.

Each job in the bill as passed yesterday will cost us $250,000 in our tax money. The average pay of the jobs created is going to be between $40,000- $60,000 annual income. Does that sound like economic stimulus and job creation to you? Argue politics all you want but as a business owner I can tell you this will not create jobs, it will force me to lay people off.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

[bluegrass]

BLUSGRASS---- IF THIS OR ANY OTHER STIMULAS OR WHAT EVER THEY END UP CALLING IT ,CREATES ONE JOB IT IS BETTER THAN LOOSING JOBS EVERY DAY




Surely you are just joking here...

I hope you are, because I dont think the American people need to spend over 1 TRILLION (oh my God) on so called stimulus packages that dont stimulate anything except Democratic Party rule for the next 50 years...



Tony