Jessamine County - AKC - Berea, KY - Feb 9 thru 12 - MIDWEST

[Chris Powers]

Guys I've ran and ran with the male dog that won the big male class and I promise he can foot up with any male dog that runs a rabbit line the correct way that the Akc rule book calls for

[Emma's Beagles]

i second what chris powers says about the male dog that won...i run with him at least 3 nights a week if not more and he isnt a walkie talkie dog at all...also i had a male dog that got picked up as well, but i know for a fact that lead can foot up and go.

[Chimney Rock Kennel]

Kane i'm glad you had a good trip and thanks for posting your resume.I was totaly wrong i thought that brace,mid-west,large pack etc. was all for different style of hounds glad you got that straightened out for me. I guess Jim Odle didn't know what he was talking about when he said that AKC has a format for any hound no matter what style it was. I really hope you can make it down this way more often i'd like to see you judging alot more of these Mid West trials. I got a 14 1/2 year puppy starter that i think would finish out in no time, he's blind in one eye deaf in both ears and only has 3 legs but he can definatley run the rabbit consitanly without losing it.

[Chimney Rock Kennel]

Chris and Emma get your panties out of wad, if you had read the post you would have known that i never said the dog that wins this trial was a walkie talkie. I said there "would not be a walkie talkie dog win this trial because they were none there." I'm sure that the pup that won has plenty of foot and congrats on the win.

[KanesIrish]

Chimney Rocks,
If I get invited I'll gladly come down again!

Good luck with your Near Field Champions! If you want to see a couple field champions run, so that way you know what to look for let me know I'll show them to you.

Again good luck with your dogs!

[Chimney Rock Kennel]

I'd would guess watching your FC's run would be in same class as watching paint dry,grass grow, and ice melt.

[LaMarr Rhoades]

i personally believe a little change is needed and apparantly others do to according to the turnout at this trial.there is a place for dogs that get out of a check area and are over competitive over running lines and that is little pack.i like little pack alot but there is a difference or atleast there use to be.i agree with the judging change,keep it up and the entries will keep up.

[KanesIrish]

I have a Field Champion bitch here out of Maravic's Simba, one field champion male that goes back to the Henry Moore's Beth who was a litter sister to Henry Moore's Dolly. The pup we had out of Dolly was too slow for us.

That's right buddy same breeding as what that orange collar dog was...but these dogs have accountability. They can actually run a rabbit without losing it, at good speed, like enough to run down a hare from behind. They know how to get it back. It doesn't take 5 lost rabbits, it'd be a long winter up here if I was trying to live off that dog. I suggest that you retake the AKC seminar or better yet stop postponing the inevitable, get out of beagling. Sore losers and kennel blind cry babies don't last long in this sport. I've seen it for years, guy gets dog, gets a couple places, and he knows all.

I know one thing, that big bitch would have won the trial if she had some eye ointment before the winners pack. Kind of tough to run on the line when your running with one eye and in pain. But hey your ego is a little bigger you got a ribbon, who cares how the dog feels.

Bev, and the rest of the moderators do as you may with my membership to this bored. I'm sick of dealing with these flash in the pans...it'll be the same argument 6 years from now just with a different guy who had some luck that was golfing two years before hand.

[Chimney Rock Kennel]

Just calm down everything will be alright it was just a field trial. I think you would make a great judge for the mid west you seemed to be very honest and judge the dogs not the handlers. I do think it would help you to judge with an experinced mid west judge a few times.

[mybeagles]

First of all I would like to congradulate the winning and placing hounds. I heard the judges did an excellent job of sorting through the hounds. Anyone who has judged 15" male classes knows that it can be challenging to sort through the "Power vs Puff" with a large class all in one day. I welcome judges that clean up the rough running and promote hounds that run strong yet still maintain control of the line as the Mid-West has been historically known for. There are several (including myself) that feel that cleaning things up will be good for the association and good for the sport!

Thanks for making the trip south Mr. Kane and Mr. Fowles.

Mybeagles

[sparky]

I welcome judges that clean up the rough running and promote hounds that run strong yet still maintain control of the line as the Mid-West has been historically known for. There are several (including myself) that feel that cleaning things up will be good for the association and good for the sport!

+1

[Aaron Bartlett]

Bev, and the rest of the moderators do as you may with my membership to this bored. I'm sick of dealing with these flash in the pans...it'll be the same argument 6 years from now just with a different guy who had some luck that was golfing two years before hand.

Rob,
No worries about your membership here. Sometimes folks get a little upside down when they get picked up but after they have time to cool off and think about it they usually see that they were wrong. I wasnt at the trial, havent seen the results and didnt see you judge but if clean dogs placed in the 15" males then I applaud you. Some folks have a hard time distinguishing the difference between speed and just being rough as hell! I think if the MidWest would work on cleaning up the 15" male class it would be alot easier to get folks to judge them.
Carry on boys!

[KanesIrish]

Let's clear somethings up.

My partner and I were not there to "clean things up" or prove a point. We were there to do what we were hired to do, find who we thought according to the AKC rule book was the best hound in the class. Exactly what we have done in the combined 200 or so trials we have judged. All over the country.

Did many hounds get picked up for being too rough? Yes. Did many hounds get picked up for being too loose in the check? Yes. At the same point dogs were picked up for not getting enough done. But we were not negative judging, we were using the same standard that all of us were tested on when we took our Regular Seminar, and then again at our Advanced Seminars.

I am not a walkie talkie judge (nor am I even close to it), I think all of us agree that they have ruined the beagle. In the same point judges who abuse the standard and promote hounds that do not account for game, should be held in the same regard.

Mr. Taylor perhaps somebody with your judging record and experience: http://www.akc.org/judges_directory/ind ... e_id=94065...can enlighten somebody with mine: http://www.akc.org/judges_directory/ind ... e_id=16808

[Chimney Rock Kennel]

It would be my pleasure to judge with you and teach you a few things, but I would recommend you judging with someone like Roy Noe, Bruce New, Scott Music, Donnie Goforth or any of the others that have been judging and running in the mid west for over 20 years. Maybe we can get together sometime and just run and ill go over the basic stuff with you and then let one of the professional judges finish you on out.

[mjohnson]

My name is Mike Johnson and I judged the 15" Bitches at Jessamine. I know Rob and Jim don't need me on here sticking up for them, but I'm going to!

These guys judge and run Rabbit Dogs! Rob stated an important point Accountability. If accounting for your game is walkie talkie then you can lump me into that category as well. The last trial I judged was with Rob and it was a Large Pack on Hare trial last month. We judged a class of 37 big males; I can assure you the placing dogs were not walkie talkies. Although no walkie talkies were entered here either; no one would bother bringing them because we would have thrown them out before or along with the backtracking, mouthy, and over competitive dogs.

Chimney Rock, The Mid-West Federation may run a certain style of dog but the format is the same as we run and judge in the East, whether it is SPO or LP. To call out a judge and call them walkie talkie on the internet is a down right disrespectful. You may not agree with there decision, but to come on a public forum and bad mouth them is wrong.

- Mike Johnson