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Being new to this board I dont want cause a stir but I havent found or seen anything on here dealing with this issue one way or another. I was just wondering why?

give us your assesment of the PAWS legislation. I, personally see it as bad government.

jackrabbit

I dont fall under any of the provisions right now but if this passes into law, it will take very little for them to change it for less dogs. And the primary breed that is puppy milled isnt even covered under the bill(toy breeds). I think its just a way for the government to collect more taxes and not to mention the IRS is gonna want their cut of the money.

I also am going to boycott the AKC by not registering anymore dogs with them untill they change their position on the bill. They may be the largest KC but that dont mean they are the best. JMO

Figured i would move this post over to here As it applies here also.
This is one way we can At least be involved in the process.
http://americanbeagler.huntingboards.co ... hp?t=14397

TC, I was just on the AKC website. They are talking about this bill like its the best thing since sliced bread,,, we're in trouble here for sure!!!! The average smuck on the street ain't gonna see through the holes iffen you get my drift.. Can't believe the AKC's for this bill but they probably pull alot weight in DC!!!!

Crew Chief

PS Guys, the more I read about this bill the more it REAKS of HSUS and PETA,, what the hell,, the AKC's SOLD US OUT!!!!!

There's a huge amount of information about PAWS on the Internet. The least relevant from a hunting dog owner's point of view is the NAIA material. It ignores the impact on hunters and is totally silent about AKC's PAWS role.

For background see
http://saova.org/1139.html
http://www.ncraoa.com/alerts.html
http://www.dfow.org/paws.htm

The short version is that Sen Rick Santorum (R-PA), who twice previously tried to expand federal licensing of dog sellers from commercial breeders selling wholesale to hobby breeders, introduced S1139 (PAWS). It not only has much that same effect, it also singles out hunting dog owner-sellers for more stringent regulation than other dog owners. There's a lot more to PAWS, but that should be enough to get your attention.

PAWS is fiercely supported by the AKC and animal rightists HSUS, DDAL, PETA and ASPCA. PAWS is opposed by a list of animal owner groups which will shortly number 200. The bill's current opponents include SAOVA, VHDOA, USSA, UKC, every cat club in the U.S. and 22 AKC parent breed clubs, representing 55% of all AKC registrations. This list may be viewed at http://saova.org/1139opponents.html

Note that all but one major hunting breed club is opposed to PAWS and has so stated to the U.S.Congress.

Six out of seven of the breed clubs with the largest number of AKC registrations oppose PAWS. The National Beagle Club of America, #4 in size, hasn't taken a position. I'm informed that NBCA's officers can't determine the club's position until a board meeting in November. No other club has been unable to take a position for procedural reasons, to the best of my knowledge.

By November, Congress will have adjourned and PAWS may have been decided. I urge that all beaglers and their clubs contact the NBCA leadership below and request that the board have an expeditious teleconference to determine the club's position on S1139-HR2669 (PAWS).

Bob Kane, President
Virginia Hunting Dog Owners' Association
http://vhdoa.uplandbirddog.com/
Sportsmen's and Animal Owners' Voting Alliance -
Working to identify and elect supportive legislators
** Defeat S1139/HR2669 (PAWS) **
http://saova.org/1139.html

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Bob, I'm not sure why you want the discussion on this thread since the other has the past law and the proposed all spelled out but I'll play along.
I ask the same question.
Is it the numbers of dogs and litters whelped that is bothering you?

Thanks goes

Because I don't have the time to monitor multiple threads on multiple boards.

PAWS...also singles out hunting dog owner-sellers for more stringent regulation than other dog owners.

See SAOVA's analysis at http://saova.org/1139.html

Bob Kane
Sportsmen's and Animal Owners' Voting Alliance -
Working to identify and elect supportive legislators
** Defeat S1139/HR2669 (PAWS) **
http://saova.org/1139.html

I understand the multiple threads, it is tough sometimes.

As far as I can tell by reading the current legislation verses the proposed the Hunting dog verbage has not changed it has been there, isn't this correct?

Something I have been dying to ask someone who has a site that opposses this is the term "Scare tactics". I ask this with respect to you and mean you no harm in anyway of disrespect.
On your site you have a statement that states
A dog seller requiring a USDA license pays an annual fee of up to $760, as a function of gross income, must file an annual report, keep voluminous records and is subject to random inspections to determine compliance with 60 pages of care standards, which include separate, sheltered facilities kept at a temperature no lower than 45 deg F and no higher that 85 deg F.

While this statment is true, don't you find it to be a but misleading. I mean I have read the 60 pages, but not all 60 pages are in reference to dogs. The statement about the tempatures and facitlies, even though these are true statements, in all honesty, if you keep your dogs inside than you are already in compliance, if you have an outdoor facility then you only need to regulate the tempature per the breed. Hence a Beagle or Coon hound does not fall under these requirerments, but if the breed is chihuahua's (example) you can't keep them outside in the winter. And the fact of the ruling is per your veternarian. So a "hound" only needs a dog house with shade and bedding and for us to clean up after them daily.

I'm not saying you are doing anything wrong in any way but this comes across to me as a "Scare Tactic" meaning making more out of it than what it really is.

You see, I am really trying to get to the bottom of this and way too many folks are aguing against this bill on hearsay or misinterpretation they have gotten from ScareTactics, and so far as far as the dog portion goes, I haven't truly found a problem with it, I am now researching the cat portion, which really bites since I am not a cat person.

Here are what you'll be up against should you need USDA licensing!!!!!!!

_http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ac/cfr/9cfr3.html_
(http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ac/cfr/9cfr3.html)

has any body figured out how all these dogs are being imported into this country. Ho9w are they coming in? boat plane across the border how it can't be cheap to import all these dogs heck, to send one dog via plane it is a minimum of 200. how are all these litters getting in on international flights? and if it's that much of a problem regulate the imports they got beagles checking luggage for smuggled in fruit i would think that if all these dogs coming into the country were that much of a problem something could be done about it; maybe all the illegal immigrants are each carrying a dog across the border?????????@@@@@@@########$$$$$$

[quote= maybe all the illegal immigrants are each carrying a dog across the border?????????@@@@@@@########$$$$$$[/quote]

Now thats funny

On another note my aunt imported a dog from Japan it cost her @3,000 to do this. It is not cheap and I am wondering where it comes from too. Just another ploy in my opinion

I just can't figure the AKC out,first there helping the Hunter then there trying to tear them down. This Bill stinks of ANTI. Why would the AKC support it? I've read it all and it realy is something the ANTIs can pervert into something bad. The wording in it Points to the hunting hound and breeder of them,scary. HSUS "THE FIRST STEP". Toward what? ABOLISHING HUNTING WITH HOUNDS AND HUNTING AS A WHOLE.

Tommy HSUS and PETA both want to abolish all household pets not only hunting ones. They want all animals to be liberated and seen in there true form in the wild so they put it.

Have any of you read the story on the AKC's site about the people in PA running a puppy mill??? It mentions that the guy tried to register 94 litters in one year!!! Now to be a high volume AKC breeder, in their eyes how many litters can a hobby breeder produce??? They (AKC) mentioned the number of high volume breeders at 2,000!!! This is the reason I believe they're supporting PAWS so vigorisly!!! Do any of you think there's that many puppy mills out there????

Crew Chief