Beagleman one of the neighboring states im talking about is illinois with a $6.75 senior license over age 65. i checked my records and then went to the illinois dnr website to confirm it. so for every senior license illinois sells they are getting some of Indiana sportsmans federal 11% tax. other neighboring states im talking about are;
Ohio-------$11.00 senior 65+
Kentucky--$5.00 combo senior
Michigan---$10.50 senior and $2.00 youth
Illinois------$6.75 senior 65+
Iowa--------$51.00 senior lifetime license
Wisconsin--$7.00 both senior and youth
these are some of the neighors i am talking about. all states that are getting part of our money.
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still the best deal
and its still the best deal going.....lol
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thats ok patch, i dont expect everyone to jump on immediately. the last increase merely covered part of the 14 years we went without any increases in license fees. and as painful as it was most of us know how difficult it would be to buy todays goods on the paycheck we got 14 years ago. us older folks like to talk about how gas used to be 5 and 6 gallons for a dollar, and bread was 16 cents a loaf. heck i can remember when a bottle of coke was 6 cents...... but i can also remember when top wage was about 60 bucks a week, and less. It would be impossible to live today on yesterdays wages. The nice thing about this issue is its not a make or break situation for us like the dog training issue. If we have to shell out an extra five bucks to fish for a year after 65 we are not going to miss it. and soon the new fellows turning 65 will even be saying what a deal they are getting to be able to fish for half price or less. and us old codgers will still be whinning that when we used to do it for free.....lol.
have a good day patch
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have a good day patch
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Jackrabbit,
You are right about the senior fishing licenses. Years ago when my dad was still alive it was free, I just wasn't aware they had changed it.
Under 16 for fishing is still free though.
Also, hunting licenses for over 65 is only $4.
Personally I can live with seniors being charged, but I think under 16 should be free. IMHO it helps get kids involved in hunting and fishing and that helps preserve our heritage and traditions. We may find we lose a lot of youth if licenses and stamps, etc have to be purchased for them. Then if we are not careful, since they have never been exposed to hunting and fishing, when they become old enough to vote or even create legislation concerning hunting and fishing, we won't have any allies.
There's enough anti's out there already, lets not help create more!
You are right about the senior fishing licenses. Years ago when my dad was still alive it was free, I just wasn't aware they had changed it.
Under 16 for fishing is still free though.
Also, hunting licenses for over 65 is only $4.
Personally I can live with seniors being charged, but I think under 16 should be free. IMHO it helps get kids involved in hunting and fishing and that helps preserve our heritage and traditions. We may find we lose a lot of youth if licenses and stamps, etc have to be purchased for them. Then if we are not careful, since they have never been exposed to hunting and fishing, when they become old enough to vote or even create legislation concerning hunting and fishing, we won't have any allies.
There's enough anti's out there already, lets not help create more!
If you can't run with the BIG DOGS stay on the porch!
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its all just discussion right now
thats why im bringing it to everyones attention now. so many times things like this are just decided in small groups at the state level and the everyday sportsman like us never hear about it. im solidly for the idea, and it may be that youth should continue to be exempt. the folks that are suggesting the youth license have put it at age 13 and up. which may or may not make a differance. The senior license, by and far, is the major issue. When us old fa#*....uh,er... codgers...lol start turning 65 it will be a big impact on our whole economy and DNR budget is one that just a few dollars is all thats needed to shore it up. everyones points have been good valid ideas. im sure we will all be talking about this much more before anythng is actually done. And solidly in favor of it as i am, i will need to see some real strong legislative controls in place to protect us.
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Gary and others,
The principle's the same, whether we're talking about youth hunting or fishing licenses. There's no free federal lunch and anything that discourages youth from participating in outdoor activities is a bad, counterproductive policy. Jackrabbit doesn't understand the Pittman-Robertson (hunting) or Dingell-Johnston (fishing) programs. He thinks he's found a way to game the programs and proposes new fees on kids instead of addressing Indiana DNR's overall insufficient fee structure level.
The entire idea is flawed. As described above, numbers of license holders is just one part of the excise tax refund formula. To illustrate, using the best available recent data:
Total Excise Tax Refunds FY03 $478.6MM, $213MM PR/$265.2MM DJ
Alaska's share and hunt/fish license holders $9.1MM/93M $13.3MM/422M
Indiana's share and lic holders $3.8MM/283M $4.1MM/619M
Taking Jackrabbit's analysis at face value as correct (which it isn't), these two states have the following federal aid program incentives to sell cheap licenses to additional sportsmen.
Alaska
hunting $9.1MM/93M = $98 each
fishing $13.3MM/422M = $31.50 each
Indiana
hunting $3.8MM/283m = $13 each
fishing $4.1MM/619 = $6.60 each
It's fortunate that Jackrabbit's wrong, as Alaska and other states, by his analysis, have 4-7X the incentive to game the system than does Indiana.
These are not appropriated monies; they're our excise taxes being refunded to us. It's a closed, zero sum game using a formula which is long established and very stable. The actual excise tax refund impact of selling of Indiana selling 10,000 $5.00 youth licenses is too small to be measured. What is certain is that you'll encourage a whole bunch of 13-15 year old youngsters to do sometime else.
If you need revenues, belly up to the bar and increase general license and tag costs, as others have done.
The principle's the same, whether we're talking about youth hunting or fishing licenses. There's no free federal lunch and anything that discourages youth from participating in outdoor activities is a bad, counterproductive policy. Jackrabbit doesn't understand the Pittman-Robertson (hunting) or Dingell-Johnston (fishing) programs. He thinks he's found a way to game the programs and proposes new fees on kids instead of addressing Indiana DNR's overall insufficient fee structure level.
The entire idea is flawed. As described above, numbers of license holders is just one part of the excise tax refund formula. To illustrate, using the best available recent data:
Total Excise Tax Refunds FY03 $478.6MM, $213MM PR/$265.2MM DJ
Alaska's share and hunt/fish license holders $9.1MM/93M $13.3MM/422M
Indiana's share and lic holders $3.8MM/283M $4.1MM/619M
Taking Jackrabbit's analysis at face value as correct (which it isn't), these two states have the following federal aid program incentives to sell cheap licenses to additional sportsmen.
Alaska
hunting $9.1MM/93M = $98 each
fishing $13.3MM/422M = $31.50 each
Indiana
hunting $3.8MM/283m = $13 each
fishing $4.1MM/619 = $6.60 each
It's fortunate that Jackrabbit's wrong, as Alaska and other states, by his analysis, have 4-7X the incentive to game the system than does Indiana.
These are not appropriated monies; they're our excise taxes being refunded to us. It's a closed, zero sum game using a formula which is long established and very stable. The actual excise tax refund impact of selling of Indiana selling 10,000 $5.00 youth licenses is too small to be measured. What is certain is that you'll encourage a whole bunch of 13-15 year old youngsters to do sometime else.
If you need revenues, belly up to the bar and increase general license and tag costs, as others have done.
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Bob, as usual you have long answers for short problems. i must assume you know more than our department of natural resource folks do. And even if There is some resemblance of truth to what you are expressing. It doesnt come close to explaining the large number of seniors we will have as the baby boomers become 65. I will pass your figures by the experts and see what they have to say about it. i seriously doubt you are correct. but we have found that to be the case at least once in the past.
While im doing some more research for Bob's benifit i will simply copy a portion of the pittman roberts website.
Each states apportionment is determined by a formula which considers the whole area of the state AND the total number of licensed hunters in the state. the program is a cost reimbursement program, where the state covers the full amount of the approved project then applies for reimbursement through federal aid for upto 75% of the project expenses. the state must provide 25% of the cost of the project from a non-federal source.
AND JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF YOUR STATEMENTS THAT ARE OUTDATED AND UNTRUE, BOB
Viriginia hunting /fishing costs per year
hunting $12.00
fishing $12.50
youth hunting $7.50
plus an additional $7.50 to hunt deer and turkey so with the $.50 process fee each Virginia youth pay $16.00 a year to hunt.
Indiana hunting/ fishing costs per year
hunting $14.25
fishing $14.25
youth $7.00 ( includes all stamps and tags)
now if Indiana youth were paying $2.75 to fish
and $7.00 to hunt everything
total $9.75
and $9.75 subtracted from $16.00 leaves Viginia still charging $6.25 more to their youth....... and who did you say was discouraging youth participation in hunting and fishing?
and who should be belling up to the bar ?
and, Bob, we are not talking a mere 10,000 license sales. Try more like in the 200,000 range and with our smaller land mass that could mean big figures in a formula such at this.
jackrabbit
While im doing some more research for Bob's benifit i will simply copy a portion of the pittman roberts website.
Each states apportionment is determined by a formula which considers the whole area of the state AND the total number of licensed hunters in the state. the program is a cost reimbursement program, where the state covers the full amount of the approved project then applies for reimbursement through federal aid for upto 75% of the project expenses. the state must provide 25% of the cost of the project from a non-federal source.
AND JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF YOUR STATEMENTS THAT ARE OUTDATED AND UNTRUE, BOB
Viriginia hunting /fishing costs per year
hunting $12.00
fishing $12.50
youth hunting $7.50
plus an additional $7.50 to hunt deer and turkey so with the $.50 process fee each Virginia youth pay $16.00 a year to hunt.
Indiana hunting/ fishing costs per year
hunting $14.25
fishing $14.25
youth $7.00 ( includes all stamps and tags)
now if Indiana youth were paying $2.75 to fish
and $7.00 to hunt everything
total $9.75
and $9.75 subtracted from $16.00 leaves Viginia still charging $6.25 more to their youth....... and who did you say was discouraging youth participation in hunting and fishing?
and who should be belling up to the bar ?
and, Bob, we are not talking a mere 10,000 license sales. Try more like in the 200,000 range and with our smaller land mass that could mean big figures in a formula such at this.
jackrabbit
Jack, and as usual, you're predictable. You have a brainf**t, someone says "It smells in here" and you change the subject.
Did ever occur to you that such a fee comparison is meaningless without knowing the sales of various license categories for each state? Listing Virginia's fee schedule has nothing to do with your proposal to game the federal excise tax refund program by charging Indiana youngsters a new fee, how little money such an action would generate or bad an idea it is, discouraging our youth, but it changes the subject and takes the heat off you - you hope.
In point of fact, Virginia sportsmen pay an average of $22 per man for licenses and tags, about 50% more than do Hoosiers. In addition, they pay a state sales tax on all sporting goods that is dedicated to Fish & Game Department. That amount is currently capped at approximately $13/licensee. We also charge youth less than 16 years old for the opportunity to hunt, but not to fish.
I expect Virginia will raise its licenses a minimum of $10 very shortly. What has all of this to do with your proposal? Not a darn thing. Just trying to get you back on the subject you started.
You claim Ohio, Kentucky, Michigan, Illinois, Iowa and Wisconsin are all depriving you of your fair federal share and that you'll sell 200,000 more licenses to seniors and youth with this scheme. On what basis? Where's the documentation? How many such licenses do the above named states sell? It's all public information, available for the asking. Likewise, USFWS's regional office will recalculate Indiana's revised apportionship share using other license data, if you ask nicely. Get the data Jack.
This is fool's gold. But if you feel this idea presents a legitimate opportunity to generate more excise tax refunds, also ask USFWS to calculate the impact on Indiana of Texas, Alaska, California, Michigan, Minnesota and Pennsylvania, the "big six," also increasing license sales by 25%, as you suggest Indiana might do.
Come back with some hard facts and reputable third party analysis. Until then, please don't try to sell the concept of charging youngsters license fees to increase your state's Pittman-RobertsON/Dingell-Johnston refunds.
Did ever occur to you that such a fee comparison is meaningless without knowing the sales of various license categories for each state? Listing Virginia's fee schedule has nothing to do with your proposal to game the federal excise tax refund program by charging Indiana youngsters a new fee, how little money such an action would generate or bad an idea it is, discouraging our youth, but it changes the subject and takes the heat off you - you hope.
In point of fact, Virginia sportsmen pay an average of $22 per man for licenses and tags, about 50% more than do Hoosiers. In addition, they pay a state sales tax on all sporting goods that is dedicated to Fish & Game Department. That amount is currently capped at approximately $13/licensee. We also charge youth less than 16 years old for the opportunity to hunt, but not to fish.
I expect Virginia will raise its licenses a minimum of $10 very shortly. What has all of this to do with your proposal? Not a darn thing. Just trying to get you back on the subject you started.
You claim Ohio, Kentucky, Michigan, Illinois, Iowa and Wisconsin are all depriving you of your fair federal share and that you'll sell 200,000 more licenses to seniors and youth with this scheme. On what basis? Where's the documentation? How many such licenses do the above named states sell? It's all public information, available for the asking. Likewise, USFWS's regional office will recalculate Indiana's revised apportionship share using other license data, if you ask nicely. Get the data Jack.
This is fool's gold. But if you feel this idea presents a legitimate opportunity to generate more excise tax refunds, also ask USFWS to calculate the impact on Indiana of Texas, Alaska, California, Michigan, Minnesota and Pennsylvania, the "big six," also increasing license sales by 25%, as you suggest Indiana might do.
Come back with some hard facts and reputable third party analysis. Until then, please don't try to sell the concept of charging youngsters license fees to increase your state's Pittman-RobertsON/Dingell-Johnston refunds.
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and again bob you continue to use outdated information. you cant even get your facts right on what indiana is paying so what makes you think i am going to take stock in what you say about pittman roberts.
first off it was you, not me, that accused us of not paying enough for our licenses in the first place. go look at the current indiana list of tags, stamps and licenses bob. Indiana sportsmen and women are paying out a hell of alot more than any $22.00. our turkey permits alone cost more than that. and with deer tags and upland gamebird stamps $22.00 is a basement bargain. you have already been so wrong here that you have killed any credibility you may have had.
and it was you that was bitching that we are discouraging youth sports and your state charges more just for hunting than we would if we had a both fishing and hunting licenses for youth. should you not go back to your state legislators and right this obvious wrong that you have uncovered in virginia.
and it was you that helped make the mess everyone is in wtih the field trial issue and then talk about me taking heat.......yeh, right.
But you are right about one thing. i do have the figures on the number of licenses, and the differance it makes, and i will be sharing that with indiana sportsmen and women not with an out of stater that cant get his facts straight to start with. Perhaps its you that needs to get your folks to bellyup to the bar and perhaps your natural resource program will be in as sound a shape as ours is..... after all we are only talking a few bucks a year. i would think a person of your importance would have more important things to do in your own state.
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first off it was you, not me, that accused us of not paying enough for our licenses in the first place. go look at the current indiana list of tags, stamps and licenses bob. Indiana sportsmen and women are paying out a hell of alot more than any $22.00. our turkey permits alone cost more than that. and with deer tags and upland gamebird stamps $22.00 is a basement bargain. you have already been so wrong here that you have killed any credibility you may have had.
and it was you that was bitching that we are discouraging youth sports and your state charges more just for hunting than we would if we had a both fishing and hunting licenses for youth. should you not go back to your state legislators and right this obvious wrong that you have uncovered in virginia.
and it was you that helped make the mess everyone is in wtih the field trial issue and then talk about me taking heat.......yeh, right.
But you are right about one thing. i do have the figures on the number of licenses, and the differance it makes, and i will be sharing that with indiana sportsmen and women not with an out of stater that cant get his facts straight to start with. Perhaps its you that needs to get your folks to bellyup to the bar and perhaps your natural resource program will be in as sound a shape as ours is..... after all we are only talking a few bucks a year. i would think a person of your importance would have more important things to do in your own state.
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so whats your point
so is that another way of diverting attention..... in these parts the act is known "affectionately" as Pittman-Roberts.
fee structure for Virginia
FISHING
Resident Fees
To fish in county or city of residence* 5.00
To fish statewide* 12.00
To fish statewide for 5 consecutive days (not valid in designated stocked waters) 5.00
To fish in designated stocked trout waters (This license required in addition to other resident licenses if fishing in these waters) 12.00
65 and over license to fish* 1.00
Totally and permanently disabled resident special lifetime license*, only available through Richmond office 5.00
Service-connected totally and permanently Disabled Veteran resident lifetime license* to hunt and freshwater fish (available only through Richmond Office) 5.00
Special lifetime to fish* or Special lifetime trout license to fish in designated stocked trout waters (A valid resident fishing license is also required), both available only through Richmond office. Fees for each lifetime license are as follows:
Age up to age 44 250.00
Age 45-50 200.00
Age 51-55 150.00
Age 56-60 100.00
Age 61-64 50.00
Age 65 and over 10.00
* A valid trout license ($12.00 annual or lifetime) is required in addition to other resident licenses only if you are fishing in designated stocked trout waters.
Nonresident Fees
To fish statewide ** 30.00
To fish statewide for 5 consecutive days ** 6.00
To fish in designated stocked trout waters (This license required in addition to other resident licenses if fishing in these waters) 30.00
Nonresident special lifetime license to fish ** available only through Richmond office 500.00
Nonresident special lifetime trout license to fish in designated stocked trout waters, (A valid nonresident fishing license is also required); available only through Richmond office 500.00
** A valid nonresident trout license ($30.00 annual or $500.00 lifetime) is required in addition to other nonresident licenses only if you are fishing in designated stocked trout waters.
Miscellaneous Fees
Daily Permit required at Big Tumbling Creek, Crooked Creek,and Douthat State Park pay-as-you-go (fee) fishing areas (required in addition to regular resident, non-resident, or non-resident 5 day license) 3.50
National forest permit, required in addition to license, to hunt, fish or trap on national forest (holders of senior citizen [age 65] license excepted) 3.00
County dip net permit to take shad, herring, and mullet
HUNTING
Junior Lifetime license (under age 12) to hunt (no annual bear, deer, turkey license required until age 12. National Forest Stamp, State Forest Stamp, County Damage Stamp and Bonus Deer Permits, if applicable, are required in addition to this license). Available only through the Richmond office. $250.00
Lifetime license to hunt (annual bear, deer, turkey license and all applicable special licenses, stamps, or permits are required in addition to this license). Available only through the Richmond office.
Through age 44 (hunter education course required under age 16) $250.00
Age 45-50 $200.00
Age 51-55 $150.00
Age 56-60 $100.00
Age 61-64 $50.00
Age 65 and over $10.00
County or city resident to hunt in county or city of residence only $5.00
State resident to hunt statewide $12.00
State resident bear, deer, turkey license to hunt bear, deer and turkey statewide required in addition to county or state hunting license, or senior citizen license or lifetime license (Not required if senior citizen's lifetime license was purchased before July 1, 1988. Not required for holders of Disabled Veterans Lifetime license.) $12.00
State resident junior to hunt statewide (optional for under 12 years old; required for ages 12 to 15 ) $7.50
State resident junior bear, deer, turkey license to hunt bear, deer and turkey statewide (12-15 years old) required in addition to state resident junior hunting license $7.50
State resident youth combination license (12-15 years old) to hunt statewide and to hunt bear, deer, and turkey; to hunt with a bow and arrow during the special archery seasons and to hunt with a muzzleloader during the special muzzleloading deer seasons $15.00
Service-connected totally and permanently disabled veteran resident lifetime license to hunt and freshwater fish (available only through Richmond Office) $5.00
Totally and permanently disabled resident special lifetime license to hunt, available only through Richmond Office; (annual bear, deer, turkey license and all applicable special licenses, stamps or permits are required in addition to this hunting license) $5.00
Senior citizen resident (age 65 and over) annual license to hunt (annual bear, deer, turkey license and all applicable special licenses, stamps or permits are required in addition to this license) $1.00
State resident special archery license to hunt statewide $12.00
State resident special muzzleloading license to hunt statewide $12.00
Resident county damage stamp to hunt deer in Scott County and to hunt deer and bear in Highland, and Smyth counties, in addition to other licenses, and sold only by the clerks of those counties. $1.00
County or city resident to trap in county or city of residence $10.00
State resident to trap statewide $35.00
Senior citizen resident (age 65 and over) license to trap $1.00
Senior citizen resident (age 65 or over) lifetime license to trap (available only through Richmond Office) $10.00
Service-connected totally and permanently disabled veteran resident lifetime license to trap (available only through Richmond Office) $5.00
Totally and permanently disabled resident special lifetime license to trap (available only through Richmond Office) $5.00
Resident bonus deer permit (2 antlerless tags) valid only on private lands and authorized public lands in counties and cities where deer hunting is permitted. $12.00
Nonresident Hunting
State nonresident lifetime license to hunt available only through Richmond Office; (annual deer, bear, turkey license and all applicable special licenses, stamps or permits are required in addition to this license) $500.00
State nonresident to hunt statewide $80.00
State nonresident 3-day trip license to hunt statewide (must be 3 consecutive hunting days, no Sunday hunting) $40.00
State nonresident bear, deer, turkey license to hunt deer, bear and turkey statewide, required in addition to hunting license or lifetime license $60.00
State nonresident special archery license to hunt statewide $25.00
State nonresident special muzzleloading license to hunt statewide $25.00
State nonresident damage stamp to hunt deer in Scott County, in addition to other licenses, and sold only by the clerk of the county. $1.00
State nonresident damage stamp to hunt deer and bear in Highland and Smyth counties, in addition to other licenses, and sold only by the clerks of those counties. $5.00
State nonresident license for trapping (only available through Richmond Office) $150.00
State nonresident bonus deer permit (2 antlerless tags) valid only on private lands and authorized public lands in counties and cities where deer hunting is permitted. $25.00
Nonresident Shooting Preserve (to hunt within the boundaries of a licensed shooting preserve, in lieu of other required licenses) $12.00
Miscellaneous Permits and Stamps
National forest permit (Valid for hunting and trapping within National Forests. Not required of residents under the age of 16 to trap; residents 65 and older who possess a valid license to hunt or trap; or holders of complimentary license to hunt.) $3.00
Permit to hunt or trap on Appomattox-Buckingham, Cumberland and Prince Edward State Forests (sold by the Dept.of Forestry and local license agents; may be obtained from Forestry Headquarters) $10.00
Federal migratory bird hunting stamp to take migratory waterfowl, required of persons 16 years of age and over in addition to hunting license and sold at U.S. Post Offices or online
INDIANA FEE STRUCTURE
Resident Licenses* Non-resident Licenses
Fishing $14.25 Annual Fishing $24.75
One-day Fishing
(includes trout/salmon fishing) $7.00 One-day Fishing
(includes trout/salmon fishing)
$7.00
Hunting $14.25 Seven-day Fishing $12.75
Hunting and Fishing $20.75 Annual Hunting $60.75
Trapping $14.00 Five-day Hunting $25.75
Deer Hunting $24.00 Annual Trapping $117.75
Youth Consolidated Hunting $7.00 Deer Hunting $120.75
Turkey Hunting $23.00 Turkey Hunting $114.75
Trout/Salmon Stamp $9.25 Trout/Salmon Stamp $9.25
Waterfowl Stamp $6.75 Waterfowl Stamp $6.75
Game Bird Habitat Stamp $6.75 Game Bird Habitat Stamp $6.75
Lifetime Licenses varies Shooting Preserve $8.75
Limited Edition Licenses $50.00
DAV License $2.75
2003 licenses and stamps are valid from Jan. 1, 2003 through Feb. 29, 2004.
2003 trapping licenses are valid through Mar. 31, 2004.
*A resident is a person who has lived in Indiana continuously for a full period of 60 days preceding the date of a license purchase.
*A resident is a person who has lived in Indiana continuously for a full period of 60 days preceding the date of license purchase.
** Youth hunting licenses are valid for a year after purchase, even if the individual turns 18 during that year.
Lifetime license fees (effective Jan. 1, 2002)
Trapping 20 times annual trapping license $280.00
Fishing 20 times annual fishing license $285.00
Hunting 20 times annual hunting license $285.00
Comprehensive Fishing 30 times annual fishing license $427.50
Comprehensive Hunting 60 times annual hunting license $855.00
Comprehensive Fishing and Hunting 90 percent of Comprehensive Fishing and Comprehensive Hunting $1154.25
Indiana fee structue here is not showing the individual license for bow and muzzle loader.
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fee structure for Virginia
FISHING
Resident Fees
To fish in county or city of residence* 5.00
To fish statewide* 12.00
To fish statewide for 5 consecutive days (not valid in designated stocked waters) 5.00
To fish in designated stocked trout waters (This license required in addition to other resident licenses if fishing in these waters) 12.00
65 and over license to fish* 1.00
Totally and permanently disabled resident special lifetime license*, only available through Richmond office 5.00
Service-connected totally and permanently Disabled Veteran resident lifetime license* to hunt and freshwater fish (available only through Richmond Office) 5.00
Special lifetime to fish* or Special lifetime trout license to fish in designated stocked trout waters (A valid resident fishing license is also required), both available only through Richmond office. Fees for each lifetime license are as follows:
Age up to age 44 250.00
Age 45-50 200.00
Age 51-55 150.00
Age 56-60 100.00
Age 61-64 50.00
Age 65 and over 10.00
* A valid trout license ($12.00 annual or lifetime) is required in addition to other resident licenses only if you are fishing in designated stocked trout waters.
Nonresident Fees
To fish statewide ** 30.00
To fish statewide for 5 consecutive days ** 6.00
To fish in designated stocked trout waters (This license required in addition to other resident licenses if fishing in these waters) 30.00
Nonresident special lifetime license to fish ** available only through Richmond office 500.00
Nonresident special lifetime trout license to fish in designated stocked trout waters, (A valid nonresident fishing license is also required); available only through Richmond office 500.00
** A valid nonresident trout license ($30.00 annual or $500.00 lifetime) is required in addition to other nonresident licenses only if you are fishing in designated stocked trout waters.
Miscellaneous Fees
Daily Permit required at Big Tumbling Creek, Crooked Creek,and Douthat State Park pay-as-you-go (fee) fishing areas (required in addition to regular resident, non-resident, or non-resident 5 day license) 3.50
National forest permit, required in addition to license, to hunt, fish or trap on national forest (holders of senior citizen [age 65] license excepted) 3.00
County dip net permit to take shad, herring, and mullet
HUNTING
Junior Lifetime license (under age 12) to hunt (no annual bear, deer, turkey license required until age 12. National Forest Stamp, State Forest Stamp, County Damage Stamp and Bonus Deer Permits, if applicable, are required in addition to this license). Available only through the Richmond office. $250.00
Lifetime license to hunt (annual bear, deer, turkey license and all applicable special licenses, stamps, or permits are required in addition to this license). Available only through the Richmond office.
Through age 44 (hunter education course required under age 16) $250.00
Age 45-50 $200.00
Age 51-55 $150.00
Age 56-60 $100.00
Age 61-64 $50.00
Age 65 and over $10.00
County or city resident to hunt in county or city of residence only $5.00
State resident to hunt statewide $12.00
State resident bear, deer, turkey license to hunt bear, deer and turkey statewide required in addition to county or state hunting license, or senior citizen license or lifetime license (Not required if senior citizen's lifetime license was purchased before July 1, 1988. Not required for holders of Disabled Veterans Lifetime license.) $12.00
State resident junior to hunt statewide (optional for under 12 years old; required for ages 12 to 15 ) $7.50
State resident junior bear, deer, turkey license to hunt bear, deer and turkey statewide (12-15 years old) required in addition to state resident junior hunting license $7.50
State resident youth combination license (12-15 years old) to hunt statewide and to hunt bear, deer, and turkey; to hunt with a bow and arrow during the special archery seasons and to hunt with a muzzleloader during the special muzzleloading deer seasons $15.00
Service-connected totally and permanently disabled veteran resident lifetime license to hunt and freshwater fish (available only through Richmond Office) $5.00
Totally and permanently disabled resident special lifetime license to hunt, available only through Richmond Office; (annual bear, deer, turkey license and all applicable special licenses, stamps or permits are required in addition to this hunting license) $5.00
Senior citizen resident (age 65 and over) annual license to hunt (annual bear, deer, turkey license and all applicable special licenses, stamps or permits are required in addition to this license) $1.00
State resident special archery license to hunt statewide $12.00
State resident special muzzleloading license to hunt statewide $12.00
Resident county damage stamp to hunt deer in Scott County and to hunt deer and bear in Highland, and Smyth counties, in addition to other licenses, and sold only by the clerks of those counties. $1.00
County or city resident to trap in county or city of residence $10.00
State resident to trap statewide $35.00
Senior citizen resident (age 65 and over) license to trap $1.00
Senior citizen resident (age 65 or over) lifetime license to trap (available only through Richmond Office) $10.00
Service-connected totally and permanently disabled veteran resident lifetime license to trap (available only through Richmond Office) $5.00
Totally and permanently disabled resident special lifetime license to trap (available only through Richmond Office) $5.00
Resident bonus deer permit (2 antlerless tags) valid only on private lands and authorized public lands in counties and cities where deer hunting is permitted. $12.00
Nonresident Hunting
State nonresident lifetime license to hunt available only through Richmond Office; (annual deer, bear, turkey license and all applicable special licenses, stamps or permits are required in addition to this license) $500.00
State nonresident to hunt statewide $80.00
State nonresident 3-day trip license to hunt statewide (must be 3 consecutive hunting days, no Sunday hunting) $40.00
State nonresident bear, deer, turkey license to hunt deer, bear and turkey statewide, required in addition to hunting license or lifetime license $60.00
State nonresident special archery license to hunt statewide $25.00
State nonresident special muzzleloading license to hunt statewide $25.00
State nonresident damage stamp to hunt deer in Scott County, in addition to other licenses, and sold only by the clerk of the county. $1.00
State nonresident damage stamp to hunt deer and bear in Highland and Smyth counties, in addition to other licenses, and sold only by the clerks of those counties. $5.00
State nonresident license for trapping (only available through Richmond Office) $150.00
State nonresident bonus deer permit (2 antlerless tags) valid only on private lands and authorized public lands in counties and cities where deer hunting is permitted. $25.00
Nonresident Shooting Preserve (to hunt within the boundaries of a licensed shooting preserve, in lieu of other required licenses) $12.00
Miscellaneous Permits and Stamps
National forest permit (Valid for hunting and trapping within National Forests. Not required of residents under the age of 16 to trap; residents 65 and older who possess a valid license to hunt or trap; or holders of complimentary license to hunt.) $3.00
Permit to hunt or trap on Appomattox-Buckingham, Cumberland and Prince Edward State Forests (sold by the Dept.of Forestry and local license agents; may be obtained from Forestry Headquarters) $10.00
Federal migratory bird hunting stamp to take migratory waterfowl, required of persons 16 years of age and over in addition to hunting license and sold at U.S. Post Offices or online
INDIANA FEE STRUCTURE
Resident Licenses* Non-resident Licenses
Fishing $14.25 Annual Fishing $24.75
One-day Fishing
(includes trout/salmon fishing) $7.00 One-day Fishing
(includes trout/salmon fishing)
$7.00
Hunting $14.25 Seven-day Fishing $12.75
Hunting and Fishing $20.75 Annual Hunting $60.75
Trapping $14.00 Five-day Hunting $25.75
Deer Hunting $24.00 Annual Trapping $117.75
Youth Consolidated Hunting $7.00 Deer Hunting $120.75
Turkey Hunting $23.00 Turkey Hunting $114.75
Trout/Salmon Stamp $9.25 Trout/Salmon Stamp $9.25
Waterfowl Stamp $6.75 Waterfowl Stamp $6.75
Game Bird Habitat Stamp $6.75 Game Bird Habitat Stamp $6.75
Lifetime Licenses varies Shooting Preserve $8.75
Limited Edition Licenses $50.00
DAV License $2.75
2003 licenses and stamps are valid from Jan. 1, 2003 through Feb. 29, 2004.
2003 trapping licenses are valid through Mar. 31, 2004.
*A resident is a person who has lived in Indiana continuously for a full period of 60 days preceding the date of a license purchase.
*A resident is a person who has lived in Indiana continuously for a full period of 60 days preceding the date of license purchase.
** Youth hunting licenses are valid for a year after purchase, even if the individual turns 18 during that year.
Lifetime license fees (effective Jan. 1, 2002)
Trapping 20 times annual trapping license $280.00
Fishing 20 times annual fishing license $285.00
Hunting 20 times annual hunting license $285.00
Comprehensive Fishing 30 times annual fishing license $427.50
Comprehensive Hunting 60 times annual hunting license $855.00
Comprehensive Fishing and Hunting 90 percent of Comprehensive Fishing and Comprehensive Hunting $1154.25
Indiana fee structue here is not showing the individual license for bow and muzzle loader.
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Don
Lic. sales
Here in Indiana the youth and the seniors should be allowed to fish free,this is the least the DNR can do . My father in law was a WW2 vet and he was promised that he would not have to buy a fishing lic. for life. He was a dedicated fisherman,but our Gov. done away with there promise,so he had to start buying his lic. He died before he became a senior citizien.
If Indiana needs more money ,I suggest they manage there money better then what they have been doing. After all thats what we have to do at home.
If Indiana needs more money ,I suggest they manage there money better then what they have been doing. After all thats what we have to do at home.
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jackrabbit
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who's money are we talking about.
the standard line we use is let them manage their money better because thats what we all have to do, they can do exactly that. because when we all find ourselves with up to 30% less money coming in we must make some hard decisions. We either give up much or what have or do, or we find another way to raise the money. In some cases some of us who are not successful in doing either find we have to file bankruptcy. Cutting back on services is definately one option. closing more parks, divesting ourselves of fish and game areas, discontinuing dove and pheasant hunts,sacraficing the amount and quality or our fishing resources, not replacing our conservation officers as they retire, and all sorts other of actions that would mean less hunting and fishing opportunities for our children and grandchildren. Or they could simply increase the costs of hunting and fishing licenses, launch permits, taxes, institute large user fees for all the hunting and fishing related activities our children and grandchildren want to do. and this then happens at the same time those states that already have such a senior license are expanding services at no additional charge to their children and grandchildren. Do you think our kids want know whats going on?
years ago i was in a high school office in ohio. the office had a wall size picture of a huge fish with its mouth open ready to eat a somewhat smaller fish, which in turn had its mouth open ready to eat yet a smaller fish. This went on fish eathing smaller fish till at the end there was this really tiny fish with a somewhat larger fish behind it, mouth open ready to eat it........ under the picture in large letters was the statement. "THERES NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH". That statement is as true today as it was then. I would rather pay a few bucks a year after i turn 65 and not face the situation. Its like the auto mechanic likes to say...... " pay me now or pay me later, now will cost you less in the long run.
jackrabbit.
years ago i was in a high school office in ohio. the office had a wall size picture of a huge fish with its mouth open ready to eat a somewhat smaller fish, which in turn had its mouth open ready to eat yet a smaller fish. This went on fish eathing smaller fish till at the end there was this really tiny fish with a somewhat larger fish behind it, mouth open ready to eat it........ under the picture in large letters was the statement. "THERES NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH". That statement is as true today as it was then. I would rather pay a few bucks a year after i turn 65 and not face the situation. Its like the auto mechanic likes to say...... " pay me now or pay me later, now will cost you less in the long run.
jackrabbit.
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keep getting excited
WOW. this is great. possibly thanks to Bob Kane, and possibly thanks the nature of the thread folks are actually beginning to voice their opinion of things other than runnin' dawgs, foot speed, and shotgun gauge size. keep up the good work fellows the more you speak up the more everyone knows whats best.
jack
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