The American Beagler Forum

I know and have heard all the reasons not to inbreed, cross eyed, bad bite, crazy, evil no good pups. I am looking for advise from some one that has had success inbreeding, Here is my situation, I have a male dog that has been a pleasure to own. He is probably the best all around dog to suit me that I have owned, I am 52 and have owned a bunch. I have raised a few litters out of him and have had some above average pups but nothing that is on his level. He is getting older and I would love to keep his genetics going in my hounds. I was talking to a big time breeder how has been very successful explaining my results raising pups out of my old dog. After looking at his pedigree he said breeding him to an unrelated female was liking pouring a jar of different colored marbles on the table.... never know whats going to show up. He told me the best chance to get a pup like him was to cross him with a female out of him. I have never done this and seems wrong. Has anyone had success doing this?

What traits does the bitch have ? Like him ? I've done this a few times and U want get 3 legged pups with 1 ear and 1 eye .lol . If the bitch / gyp is a lot like him do it , here's the hard part . You need to keep all the pups and get them well started and be prepared to cull and be honest with ur self when judging these pups , cull and cull hard . If you don't have the guts to cull then don't breed them .

Lowell Smith has done it, I believe, three times to the same female. It has produced every time. Good dogs...some average...see the important part below.

He has gotten 1, that is singular...lol. That is as good as her dad in a female version. I have seen her, she is her dad as a female....it can work.

I will definitely do it in the future....and keep the whole litter.

I have had a accidental breeding out of a male that will die at my house to his mother, and everyone said it will never turn out and I got 2 off that cross that I feel are placing if not a finishing type hounds...17 Months now so we will see soon enough.. Lol and pretty sure that cross will happen again..

I start, a lots of pups for my Customers. been doing this for many years. Here a few years ago, young man from down in S.C. called me asking all kinds of question about some hounds that I had sold him over the years. Then he got around to asking me this same question.Seems that he had let an accidental breeding happen to a very good male back to his daughter ? He was wanting to know how these pups would turn out as gun Dogs,, as that is all he does, with his pack.

I advise him to keep them and when they get 6 months old bring, bring them on over to me and I will start the pup, he had only three in the litter. They were very nice looking pups, and well built, Healthy looking pups one male and two females. They were bold and handled well, one was easy to start and hunted like an old broke hound, right off the other two were not even in the book with this one female, she didn't have much mouth, but jumping was her, Specialty !! Their mother and Sir was likewise an excellent jump dog !
I keep these pups for about 6 weeks and they never did do anything worth talking about,, I called and ask him to pick they up. He was talking with me over the last few years and said that they never did get and, better just didn't have any hunt but would pack for sort runs,, not the kind he was looking for at all ! Said he ended up giving them to an old man that was looking for some culls, as pets.

Not what I would want to do, but it has been proven that you might get a good one.
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I just made this type of cross. She had 3 and I kept 1 and a guy bought the other 2. They are now 4 mo old. The one I kept is the smartest pup I have had since her sire. The guy who bought the other two said he has never seen pups this age take to the brush and hunt like they do. If you look at the peds of some of the best dogs out there you will see father daughter crosses. This is how you lock in traits.

responsible breeders should not breed this clothes there are too many good dogs out there

Look at breeding like money in your bank.You can't get out what you don't have in there.If the dogs you are breeding don't have bad bites,crazy actions,shyness,genetic health weaknesses,faulty running traits,etc.you won't get them in the dogs that are produced !
BUT,and this is the BIG BUT-----If the dogs you are breeding DO have an issue, then by close breeding you are now concentrating the genetic percentages of reproducing the traits.
The big problem is that very few of us beagle breeders have enough extended and complete knowledge of the dogs that go back three or four generations behind them to accurately know if somewhere there is something that we don't want.Recessive genes can lie in wait for quite a while and then rear their ugly head.
Some one like Branko Krpan that has been breeding his own family/strain of dogs for 30 + years probably has a much better feel for this than most of us backyard breeders.
If you have an outstanding male in your eyes, with an adequate knowledge of his background, then I would consider breeding his most outstanding daughter to him and keep my fingers crossed that you may get exactly what you want.
As many have mentioned in the past you may want to keep and start the whole litter to get the one or two you are looking for as chances are they won't all meet your expectations.But in reality how many pups in ANY litter turn out to be that one super special dog that we're all looking for?
I'm a definite believer in line breeding and believe you will stand a better chance of consistantly getting what you want then breeding to a dog with a reputation in competition that may have no connection genetically with your female.
As always JMHO.