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mud wrote:Been using ivomec for years. Never had the first problem. My thoughts are its very safe and effective. Its like anything else you have to use a little common sense. I always give mine orally. I generally give 1/10 of a cc per 10lbs.I mix it with something because of the bitter taste.

Chuck wrote: by wigwala » Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:44 am
Equimax is the best wormer on the market; and it does treat for everything including heart worms (equimax contains ivomec). I use it every 4 months or when I see any sign of tape worms. I use ivomec on the months between the equimax. You can not beat the ivomec / equimax combo for effectiveness and cost.

Do not start using anything containing ivomec on dogs that have not routinely been on heartworm preventative; it could kill them. The ivomec can kill adult heart worms in the heart and cause them to release and clog the heart (heart attack)

As for dosage here is an article from espo that is helpul: what it boils down to is a pea sized amount for a 25lb dog
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My Vet said a dog needs 2.5mg to 3mg of Droncit (Prazequantel) per pound to effectively kill tape worms. You can find some info about the Equimax herehttp://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html ... 6d60555286

The Equimax (plunger of paste) that I purchased contains (ivermectin 1.87% / praziquantel 14.03%) 91 mcg ivermectin per lb. (200 mcg/kg) and 0.68 mg praziquantel per lb. (1.5 mg/kg) of body weight. Its net weight is 0.225 oz (6.42g) and treats 1320 lbs of horse flesh. This plunger contains 897.6 mg of Droncit (1320 lbs X 0.68 mg/lb.). I then took 3cc syringes and removed the contents. I came up with 7cc total. Now then…897.6mg divided by 7cc equals 128.14mg/1cc of Droncit. Which would treat a dog between 43lbs. and 51lbs (128.14mg divided by 3mg equals 42.7lbs. and 128.14 divided by 2.5mg equals 51.26).

This chart maybe helpful:

1cc = 43lbs. to 51lbs.
9/10cc = 38lbs. to 46lbs.
8/10cc = 34lbs. to 41lbs.
7/10cc = 30lbs. to 36lbs.
6/10cc = 26lbs. to 31lbs.
5/10cc = 21lbs. to 26lbs.
4/10cc = 17lbs. to 21lbs.
3/10cc = 13lbs. to 15lbs.
2/10cc = 9lbs. to 10lbs.
1/10cc = 4lbs. to 5lbs.


Now about the Ivermectin…

According to a Question and Answer article by Dr. Silverio found here on this web site at http://www.espomagazine.com/vet/jan96.htm “The dosage used to prevent heartworm disease is only 3 - 6 micrograms per pound of body weight, given orally once a month. A much higher dose of Ivermectin (50 mcg/lb) is required to kill adult hookworms and whipworms, and an even higher (100 mcg/lb) is about 90% effective against the common roundworm of dogs…” (Not recommended for Collies). Also, “To achieve the dose of 100 mcg/lb, Ivomec should be given orally at 0.1 cc for every 10 pounds of body weight. This is equivalent to 1/4 cc for a 25 pound beagle and can be given once a month to prevent the diseases caused by the four parasites mentioned. All dogs should be tested for heartworm disease before the first dose.”

Based on the above information of 100mcg/lb dosage needed…I came to these conclusions. Remember the Equimax (plunger of paste) that I purchased contains (ivermectin 1.87% / praziquantel 14.03%) 91 mcg ivermectin per lb. (200 mcg/kg) of body weight. Its net weight is 0.225 oz (6.42g) and treats 1320 lbs of horse flesh. This plunger contains 120,120mcg of Ivermectin (1320 lbs X 91mcg/lb.). Remember it contains 7cc…now then…120,120mcg divided by 7cc equals 17,160mcg/1cc of Ivermectin. Which would treat a dog of 172lbs. (120,120mcg divided by 100mcg equals 171.6lbs.).

The following chart would be:

1cc = 172lbs.
9/10cc = 154lbs.
8/10cc = 137lbs.
7/10cc = 120lbs.
6/10cc = 103lbs.
5/10cc = 86lbs.
4/10cc = 69lbs.
3/10cc = 52lbs.
2/10cc = 34lbs.
1/10cc = 17lbs.

Now then when using the Equimax…based on these to charts a 25lb. beagle who received a 5/10cc dose of Droncit (praziquantel) but, would also receive enough Ivermectin for 86lbs (or nearly 3 and half dogs). My Vet told me this high dosage of Ivermectin would not hurt my beagles. In fact, he assured me that there are no studies that he is aware of showing any correlation between Ivermectin use and kidney failures.

Can Dr. Silverio concur this information about the high dosage of Ivermectin? Or can or will others ask their Vet?

Many Thanks,

Clyde

P.S. – Stan I’d give David’s (Hunt6) idea about using the 3cc syringe (minus the needle of course) a try it worked great for me. The 3cc syringe fits into the end of the Equimax plunger perfect. I can easily draw out a half cc and squirt some back into the plunger, if I draw out a tad too much. But most important of all…I can put the 3cc syringe in the back of the dogs throat…squeeze and I’m ready for the next one. If one draws or pushes all the contents into one large syringe…one runs the risk of squeezing out to much…that is unless one has a syringe with a lock on it similar to the Equimax plunger. Now that I think about…I never did check how much was in a click on that Equimax plunger. But I have another way.

Using the Droncit calculations…1cc treats up to 51lbs. …and there are 7cc of wormer in the Equimax plunger…thus the whole thing treats 357 pound of dog flesh. There are 12 clicks on the Equimax plunger…thus each click will treat 29.75lbs of dog flesh.

Shady Grove Beagles wrote: bfoster,I think in your first post you mentioned