The American Beagler Forum

I had an interesting discussion with a fellow beagler about deer chases. Most guys get the dog back on a rabbit to end on a positive note. That makes sense. His point was, it's a form of reward to let him chase a rabbit after a deer. He commented that if the dog is put up, he'll "think" about what happened when he got shocked. I could defend either position. What are your thoughts?

Larry

thats a very good question. i have no idea. what do you guys think? (and just when i thought i knew it ALL).

the only way to break a dog is being consistent with the collar they don't think about stuff like we do they are dogs

I don't know what my dog thinks but I like getting them back on a rabbit after a shock to make ME feel better!

Put em up every time and then when he gets tired and wants to go to the truck he will find a deer.

Dogs do not rationalize about what they did wrong . They will continue to do wrong until fully convinced that if they do it again they will pay "deerly" for doing it.the reason for running rabbit after being "corrected" on deer is so that what they have done is fresh in thier minds and they understand the difference between the two scents.

For me I like to get them back on a rabbit not to end on a positive note but so the dog can see he not gonna get shocked for running a rabbit.
Deer scent = pain
Rabbit scent = no pain

perhaps we should stop putting "dog" and "think" in the same sentence.

stavemillbeagles wrote:For me I like to get them back on a rabbit not to end on a positive note but so the dog can see he not gonna get shocked for running a rabbit.
Deer scent = pain
Rabbit scent = no pain

That's my philosophy too.

i agree.

For young dogs that aren't broke yet, put 'em back on a rabbit with the shock collar on them, just to show them that even though they have a shock collar on, they won't get shocked while running a rabbit, just deer. Then put them right back on a deer if possible & light them up if they run it.

The key is to make them think the deer is doing the hurting if you ever want them to not have to wear an e-collar.

My son Gavin used to put pups loose in any field he saw deer grazing in and walk toward the deer. When they ran off he would hollar and jump like he was in pain and the pups tails would drop and they would run back to the truck with him looking backward toward the deer. It worked. Most feared a deer, all didn't.

How so many of us got a laugh watching this show!

So many deer now its easier to break them. Hogs are run by beagles more than deer but a boar will break them for you.

For me larry, I would give the dog one more chance and if he ran a deer then.By By dog.I know some that loves beagle to hunt deer with. I just hate a beagle on deer when I am rabbit hunting. The best thing I seen done and have done it is to breed to a natural broke beagle.

i've seen some of the best rabbit,coon dog's anyone could ask for,with the exception they would set deer on fire if they crossed paths with one. they can b broke easily in about two weeks maybe less, depends on the dogs stubborn'es and takes less than a min a day.here's what to do,get u a scent gland from a deer,take a wire cage big enough to keep ur dog not real big,just big enough for him to turn around and to take a couple steps back and fourth. get a couple of pulleys and some good twine or string, also u need a small electric fence box with continous out put. hang the cage from a barn rafter or in side of a building ,rig ur pulleys up to where when u pull the scent gland hanging from the twine threaded through the pulleys that it either passes through the cage or right in front of it. remember to hang ur cage to where that it wont ground out, DO NOT let the dog see u, stand behind a wall or in a joining room,outside whatever just dont let it see u. pull the scent gland pass the dog in the cage and when he sniffs at it, plug up the box or turn it on for 8-10 sec, remember dont let him see u, do this once a day and when it gets to when u start to pull the scent gland toward him/her and the dog starts barking ,whining and trying to get away, it's broke gaurantee , may take few days,may take couple weeks , but this does work ,broke many coon hounds this way. keep the dog in the cage the whole time feed and water it in the cage also,when u feed it pet,talk and give alot of attention to it,this way it wont be shy of u ,but b scared to death of deer.

Rabbitearl
when you bred to this "natural broke" dog what was the percentage
of pups off the cross that were "natural broke " deer dogs?

John O